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re: My assistant of 10 years gave her notice today.

Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by tilthatday
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
1014 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:00 pm to
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We can't blow up the firm's salary structure for one person.


Sure you can. I ran a small firm for years. You have the luxury of paying different people different amounts depending on seniority, talent and attitude. Big business has to worry about salary structure, you don’t.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
10042 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:08 pm to
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Basically if we raise one person that much, we have to raise them all. They talk. They all know what each other is making (despite prohibitions to the contrary). It's not just about one person getting a 14% raise. We can't blow up the firm's salary structure for one person.

I'm over it. She can go. Moving on.




frick off.

People talking about their pay is one of the beautiful things about the free market. It's common knowledge how much workers in industries with high turnover make. Nobody's wondering about the pay of someone working at Amazon. It's right on their website because unionization in a workplace so low-skilled is almost fruitless.

This may be a troll post, but if you've lost a valued assistant over a 14% raise and you're angry with her you need to have some serious self-reflection.

Also, you're about to spend more money and go through more BS. If she was a consistent employee who you value, she's worth more than what you're paying her.

Blow up the firm's salary structure my arse.

How are those partner bonuses looking? I'll guess she's making $25 an hour, the firm can't fork over an extra $150 a week to an employee whose departure has obviously shaken someone in at least middle management?

You say you don't care, but you've made a thread on a message board about it. Don't you see the economics that are staring you right in the face? If you're smart, you will pay her to stay. Not because it's the right thing to do, that doesn't matter at all. Because you're about to pay someone else more to likely do a worse job. You lose value unless she stays.

This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 6:09 pm
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
32529 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:23 pm to
Downvoted OP for being poor as frick.
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:27 pm to
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More money at another firm. Not dramatic life changing money. Basically a 14% raise. I could probably come up with something to offer her, but I can't match it. frick my life. frick relationships. It's all about the Hamiltons. From now on I am treating everyone as chattel.



Pay more.

If you can’t afford to pay more do the shite yourself or accept turnover. Those are your options. No one gives a frick about your arse when they have bills to pay.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:34 pm to
Not reading 9 pages so maybe this has been said.

If she was that valuable to you, then you would have immediately matched her, and probably gave her more. And then you would have figured out how you would pay for it.

The fact that you didn't says volumes to her about her role at your company.

And THAT'S why she is leaving.

Loyalty goes both ways.

Also, most businesses spend between 25 and 33 percent of an employee's annual salary replacing that employee, between costs of hiring, lost time, training time, etc.

So you are about to spend a couple of years of that raise, replacing her.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 6:37 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:40 pm to
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Complete BS. Companies don’t have unlimited dollars for payroll. A company’s number 1 goal is to profit. It’s business. You show your loyalty by treating the employee like a valued person.


And you treat someone like a valued person by paying them at least market, if not above market.

If assistant is leaving over a 14% raise, Sippy wasn't at market. If he has had the same asst for 10 years... odds are Sippy has no idea what market is.

Well, Sippy will find out soon enough, won't he?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:43 pm to
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Not dramatic life changing money. Basically a 14% raise.


For a person making 50k, that’s 7 grand.

That’s enough for a new car, to fund retirement if they weren’t, take a nice vacation or a whole host of things. Might not change your life, but could theirs.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
10042 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:45 pm to
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Also, most businesses spend between 25 and 33 percent of an employee's annual salary replacing that employee, between costs of hiring, lost time, training time, etc.

So you are about to spend a couple of years of that raise, replacing her.


I don't get how OP (and many other companies) are missing this.

There is no savings when you cut out an employee unless the business is tanking. There was work they were doing. That work still carries the same tangible value. An employee who remains employed for 10 years and does a job well has intangible value separate from the work being done.

You lose the employee, the work is still there. It still has to be done. If it didn't, the company would have cut the woman a long time ago. So not only do you have the bring in value (in the form of an employee) commensurate with the workload, you also have to pay at least the same (probably more) and take a loss on the value that an employee with ten year brings.

Someone's losing somewhere. It's not the employee, because she's taking her value elsewhere. There are margins to be exploited in most markets. In this case, OP is the margin. He's going to have a bad 18-36 months while paying someone more money, all because he thinks 14% is too much.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 6:46 pm
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
2435 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:45 pm to
You are 100% right, frick ‘em. She needed more money, she should have scheduled a meeting and talked to you about it. She didn’t, supposedly took another job and didn’t say anything until the shakedown. Lower level employees are a dime a dozen, and you will probably get someone that is better than the one leaving. In the past 10 years, the amount of computer skilled employees have grown exponentially.

Do your homework and go through HR or use an employment agency, make a list of expectations you want/need and find the right fit.

Change is good.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:48 pm to
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Basically if we raise one person that much, we have to raise them all. They talk. They all know what each other is making (despite prohibitions to the contrary). It's not just about one person getting a 14% raise. We can't blow up the firm's salary structure for one person.


So here is how this works.

If your employees are worth 14% more, they will get it... either at your company or your competition.

If your employees aren't worth 14% more, then if they ask for it, you say no, and if they walk, you don't care.

This reminds me of a saying.

"What if we train our employees well and they get hired away?"

"Well, what if we don't train our employees well, and they stay?"

Because if they are crap employees, no one is going to want to hire them away. If they are good employees, they will be in demand.

All of my staff, seniors, and even some of my managers, I have told this to over the years... "If you are good... the headhunters will call you. I'm not afraid of that, I take that as a compliment. Talk to me before you take another position. If it's for an opportunity we can't offer you... I'll helo you celebrate the new gig".
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
49682 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

From now on I am treating everyone as chattel.



That is all she was to you anyway, see how it is working out for you?

quote:

More money at another firm. Not dramatic life changing money. Basically a 14% raise. I could probably come up with something to offer her, but I can't match it.


You are lying through your teeth. If she has been with you 10 years she probably knows your office and clients etc better than you do. Also knows all of the dirt in the company and keeps everything running smooth that you never know about. Its not just the 14%. When was the last time she had a raise? How long did she go without a raise during covid? How much vacation does she have? There are tons of things you can do even if you can't match 14%, you maybe do 7% and a extra week vacation? sick time? Company performance bonus? I am just spit balling here but you get the point. If she is as valuable to you as you imply you can make her a offer to think. You just don't want to because you didn't value her before and now your arse is in a crack because you will have to hire someone probably at more money than you currently pay her and it will take that new employee years to get to where she is skill level with your company.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 6:51 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:51 pm to
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Lower level employees are a dime a dozen, and you will probably get someone that is better than the one leaving. In the past 10 years, the amount of computer skilled employees have grown exponentially.



Yeah, I can tell you we treat our admin assistants like gold. Because hiring one and training one is a real PITA. So when we find a good one... we hang on to them.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53720 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:51 pm to
Lol how poor are you
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:53 pm to
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My assistant of 10 years gave her notice today.


Did she flash the cool hand sign that the old hippie gave the young black dude music producer on the Indeed commercial?

You need Indeed.
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
2435 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:57 pm to
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All of my staff, seniors, and even some of my managers, I have told this to over the years... "If you are good... the headhunters will call you. I'm not afraid of that, I take that as a compliment. Talk to me before you take another position. If it's for an opportunity we can't offer you... I'll helo you celebrate the new gig".


This is absolutely correct. I have no problem when people advance.
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
7686 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:06 pm to
Just to clear a few things up, since you people have made a lot of assumptions based on limited info in my post.

I don’t control what one person makes. I have a bunch of partners who all have different opinions on what to pay someone, or what someone is worth. I have fought for raises for everyone on my team for years. My secretary has been with me 20 years.

What’s happening in the legal market right now is insane, and it has happened suddenly. Paralegals are getting offers for more than young lawyers were making only a few years ago. What annoyed me today was that she got this offer last week and never gave me a heads up to even try to match it. If it were solely my decision, it would have already been done. I’m going to try to get as much as I can, but I have to herd some cats first. If it doesn’t happen, I’ll move on and figure it out.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71104 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:12 pm to
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since you people have made a lot of assumptions based on limited info in my post.


It's been cringeworthy seeing people respond to you with legit anger given the tone and content of your post. Combining the opportunity to white knight and post like a victimized clock puncher really lets the OT shine.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53720 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:14 pm to
Sorry your firm is broke, ambulance chasing slow?
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
27577 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:16 pm to
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14% is a lot of money for someone getting paid assistant wages
its probably like 5-7k more for the the employer (aka OP).
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 2/22/23 at 7:16 pm to
Matching 14% of 0 is still 0, baw.

Kidding

Its all just a transaction outside of family, food, and fun.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 7:17 pm
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