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re: Multiple People Shot at Michigan High School. Student kills 3, wounds 6
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:48 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:48 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Ok what laws would you propose?
There's already reckless endangerment of a child, which is what the person I referenced earlier was charged with. That 's an appropriate charge in that instance. In that case the gun was left in the open, in a common area of the home, with the child present. What are the facts in this case - does anyone know at this point?
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:48 pm to cable
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I'm a bit more reluctant to say these charges were appropriate without more information on how the kid came into possession of this gun.
That’s understandable and obviously there’s more than we know publicly.
I will say this. As a school personnel if I don’t report a student’s threat to appropriate personnel I could be fired and potentially charged. Why would this be any different than a parent? I think it’s going to be less about them handing him the gun and more that the school met with the family over issues (and likely referred to counseling services) and they didn’t do shite about it. Or they were a witness to the videos he created about wanting to shoot up the school.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:55 pm to ThuperThumpin
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A toddler cant distinguish what is a real gun vs a toy gun. They may not even know what the object is vs a teenager that knows full well that the weapon can kill. Its a lot different.
You should still be responsible for properly securing your firearm around a minor. I’m all for 2A and carry myself, but if you’re irresponsible with your firearm and it causes a loss of life then you should be held accountable.
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Ok what laws would you propose?
Plenty of laws already on the books that can be utilized just like they are in this case. And if they knew about the videos and still willingly armed him, I’m ok with what’s been charged.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
The parents bought the gun as a Christmas present for him. They were alerted multiple times in the past week about concerns they had including the morning of the incident where he had drawn a picture of a gun and someone who was shot if I recall correctly. They met with him and the school administration/counselor and left without taking him with them. A few hours later he took the gun from his backpack and went on his spree. The parents are absolutely responsible in part. He is responsible - he took the gun to school and pulled the trigger. But they enabled him to do so.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:02 pm to Wiseguy
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The parents bought the gun as a Christmas present for him.
That's incredibly stupid, if true. Why does a kid this age need a 9mm? I had guns at that age, but they were hunting.
I'm still unsure on the facts - was it a gift for the kid, or did the dad buy it for himself, and the kid took it from the home?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:05 pm to Wiseguy
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The parents bought the gun as a Christmas present for him. They were alerted multiple times in the past week about concerns they had including the morning of the incident where he had drawn a picture of a gun and someone who was shot if I recall correctly. They met with him and the school administration/counselor and left without taking him with them. A few hours later he took the gun from his backpack and went on his spree. The parents are absolutely responsible in part. He is responsible - he took the gun to school and pulled the trigger. But they enabled him to do so.
Then the parents are absolutely culpable.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:13 pm to cable
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I'm still unsure on the facts - was it a gift for the kid, or did the dad buy it for himself, and the kid took it from the home?
According to the kid's IG post, it was a gift for him. But I'd use caution on believing what a 15 year old kid says on his IG account.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:20 pm to The Spleen
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According to the kid's IG post, it was a gift for him. But I'd use caution on believing what a 15 year old kid says on his IG account.
The mom also posted her and her son with the gun calling it a mom and son day to try out his new Christmas present.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:22 pm to Wiseguy
I figured there was more to it. frick these parents. They knew. Throw the whole bunch of them away and throw away the key.
The Hill article
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The mother of the Michigan school shooting suspect, Ethan Crumbley, texted her son "don't do it" when news of the active shooter situation went public, Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald said at a press conference on Friday.
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The prosecutor said Jennifer Crumbley texted her son at 1:22 p.m. and at 1:37 p.m his father, James Crumbley, called 911 to report that his gun was missing. He told the operator that his son may have been the active shooter.
The Hill article
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:22 pm to Wiseguy
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The mom also posted her and her son with the gun calling it a mom and son day to try out his new Christmas present.
At least buy the kid a .45 - what kind of pussies are these?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:31 pm to BluegrassBelle
frick those parents. I figured the dad was at least screwed. Take all three and line them up in the firing squad.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You should still be responsible for properly securing your firearm around a minor. I’m all for 2A and carry myself, but if you’re irresponsible with your firearm and it causes a loss of life then you should be held accountable.
My point is that the levels of caution that would be considered reasonable for a toddler are not the same as teenager unless you consider any access at any time by any minor should be consider negligence.
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And if they knew about the videos and still willingly armed him, I’m ok with what’s been charged.
I agree
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:44 pm to ThuperThumpin
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My point is that the levels of caution that would be considered reasonable for a toddler are not the same as teenager unless you consider any access at any time by any minor should be consider negligence.
We have a teenager that’s being taught how to shoot. We keep it locked up when we’re not supervising her using it.
We’re not leaving it out and we’re certainly not handing it to her to use on her own.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:21 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:31 pm to PTBob
Probably down in Florida in the same swamp that guy was found in.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Should school teachers be held accountable because they did not teach the kid? Personal responsibility is lost in this country. Yes, parents (and to some extent teachers) have a responsibility to teach a kid right from wrong but at the of the day a person has to do the right thing or not.
I'm responsible for a child and their actions. It's pretty straightforward
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:53 pm to PTBob
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evidently these mf are on the run now
Yup. Fox News covering it now and the details are fricking disturbing. The fact that the police were never brought in on any of it. And I think I heard that there was a meeting with the parents and kid the day it happened? And they never asked if he had a weapon nor did they check his backpack or locker, nor did the notes and pictures this kid were posting trigger any larger response.
Kid also apparently wrote a note saying the voices won't stop, and that didn't lead to any additional response.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:55 pm to Chucktown_Badger
I’m very interested in the school response as well. We have some pretty strict protocol about reporting if a student possibly has a firearm or reporting if a student is possibly a threat to others. In our school district we could tell the parents that they have to take them for a mental assessment and that they can’t return to school until they’re cleared by a mental health professional. If the school counselor didn’t do this they are also culpable.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:58 pm to BluegrassBelle
The superintendent said basically verbatim "it didn't warrant discipline", referring to whatever it is they were aware of. The guy is clearly in holy frick I'm screwed mode. Constitutional attorney saying the DA should be considering charges against school administrators.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 3:06 pm to cable
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That's incredibly stupid, if true. Why does a kid this age need a 9mm? I had guns at that age, but they were hunting.
I'm still unsure on the facts - was it a gift for the kid, or did the dad buy it for himself, and the kid took it from the home?
If you as a parent don't own a 9mm I don't see any issue with buying one for a kid as a present, but absolutely in no way should they have continual access to a firearm until they are 18 as far as I'm concerned. Even if your kid hunts on his own or with friends, when he is finished using it the parents should be in control.
Sounds like everyone involved is ignorant and likely stupid in this situation.
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