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Mother of Michigan school shooter testifies it was her husband’s responsibility....

Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:38 am
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:38 am
To store son’s gun

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Jennifer Crumbley, the mother of the teenager who killed four people at a Michigan high school in 2021, took the stand in her manslaughter trial Thursday and testified it was her husband’s responsibility to store their son Ethan’s gun safely.

“I just didn’t feel comfortable being in charge of that. It was more his thing, so I let him handle that. I didn’t feel comfortable putting the lock thing on it,” she said.

Her husband, James Crumbley, and their son bought the 9 mm gun on Black Friday while she was out shopping, she testified.

She said she has not spoken to her husband since the day of their arrest on December 4, 2021, four days after the shooting. She also acknowledged she had been in an extramarital affair for about six months leading up to the shooting, but she said she did not believe it affected her parenting.

The key testimony comes as part of Jennifer Crumbley’s trial on four counts of involuntary manslaughter for her role in the November 30, 2021, mass shooting at Oxford High School, which left four students dead and seven others wounded. Her husband is scheduled to go on trial on the same charges in early March.

The prosecution rested its case Thursday after about a week of testimony from shooting victims, law enforcement officials, school officials and those who knew Jennifer Crumbley. The prosecution has used an unusual and novel legal theory by arguing she is responsible for the deaths because she was “grossly negligent” in getting a gun for her son and failing to get him proper mental health treatment despite warning signs.

However, the defense argued in opening statements that the blame lay elsewhere: On the husband for purchasing the firearm and encouraging the hobby; on the school for failing to notify her about her son’s behavioral issues; and on Ethan himself, who actually pulled the trigger.

Until Thursday, the jury had heard only some of Jennifer Crumbley’s perspective during the trial. In Facebook messages she sent to an extramarital lover shortly after the shooting, she wrote, “I failed as a parent. I failed miserably.”

On the stand Thursday, she explained that message further. “I don’t think I’m a failure as a parent, but at that time, I guess I didn’t see – I felt bad that Ethan was sad at those things and I guess I just – I felt like I failed somewhere.”

“As a parent you spend your whole life trying to protect your child from other dangers,” she testified. “You never would think you have to protect your child from harming someone else. That’s what blew my mind. That was the hardest thing I had to stomach was that my child harmed and killed other people.”

Yet she had no regrets. “I’ve asked myself if I would have done anything differently, and I wouldn’t have,” she said.

Still, she said she wished everything had gone differently.

“I wish he would have killed us instead.”

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Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:38 am to
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“I wish he would have killed us instead.”


Damn.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65538 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:41 am to
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She also acknowledged she had been in an extramarital affair for about six months leading up to the shooting, but she said she did not believe it affected her parenting.
Not an excuse for the actions of the POS son but apples usually fall right beneath apple trees.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37461 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:44 am to
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on Ethan himself, who actually pulled the trigger.


Only part I agree with

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Until Thursday, the jury had heard only some of Jennifer Crumbley’s perspective during the trial. In Facebook messages she sent to an extramarital lover shortly after the shooting, she wrote, “I failed as a parent. I failed miserably.” On the stand Thursday, she explained that message further. “I don’t think I’m a failure as a parent, but at that time, I guess I didn’t see – I felt bad that Ethan was sad at those things and I guess I just – I felt like I failed somewhere.”


frick her.

Eta
I don’t think she should face criminal charges.
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 11:46 am
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32707 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:45 am to
It is absolutely ridiculous to hold parents criminally responsible for the actions of their kids.

Civilly? Sure. Criminally? No way.
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7488 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:49 am to
Sounds like the Columbine mom that claims she was a victim too and had no idea what her son was up to.
Posted by AFtigerFan
Ohio
Member since Feb 2008
3253 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:54 am to
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It is absolutely ridiculous to hold parents criminally responsible for the actions of their kids.

Civilly? Sure. Criminally? No way.
I wonder if this could set a precedent for parents of the thousands of juveniles that are obsessed with gun violence... nah that will never happen.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35982 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:56 am to
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She also acknowledged she had been in an extramarital affair for about six months leading up to the shooting

Guilty on all counts.

Posted by Scuttle But
Member since Nov 2023
1301 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:56 am to
She sounds like a whore and is probably the reason her son shot up a school.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94915 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:58 am to
Who or what was having an affair with that?

Looks like a shaved sloth.
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:00 pm to
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could set a precedent for parents of the thousands of juveniles that are obsessed with gun violence...

That’s [D]ifferent!
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6368 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:01 pm to
Yeesh. She'll be played by Paul Dano in the upcoming biopic.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
34451 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:01 pm to
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It is absolutely ridiculous to hold parents criminally responsible for the actions of their kids.


Disagree.

Maybe if we started holding shitty parents responsible for the actions of their kids criminal activity we would have better parents and not as many delinquents running around.

Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
34451 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53726 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:05 pm to
Are they the ones who fled after the shooting, resulting in a manhunt?
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32707 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:06 pm to
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Maybe if we started holding shitty parents responsible for the actions of their kids criminal activity we would have better parents and not as many delinquents running around.

If the parents left their car keys on the counter and beer in the fridge and a 16 year old steals the keys/beer and run over kids in a school zone, are the parents criminally responsible?
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
34451 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:07 pm to
Not sure.
Posted by mattfromnj
New Jersey
Member since Mar 2020
568 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:07 pm to
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Disagree.

Maybe if we started holding shitty parents responsible for the actions of their kids criminal activity we would have better parents and not as many delinquents running around.


You're assuming good faith on the part of the DAs offices and that this won't be prosecuted in a selective arbitrary way. Realistically a law like this will only be used against white suburban parents. I really doubt anyone from Flint or Dearborn or Detroit ever gets hit with prison time because of their son killing someone, and that's the problem with it.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30550 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:08 pm to
She sounds like a piece of shite, and definitely failed as a parent. But she didn’t do anything criminally wrong. Her son killed those kids. Her husband bought the gun
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
34451 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:08 pm to
Yes.

It's the parents vehicle so they are responsible for it.
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