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re: More strikes ahead? Teachers say they love their jobs but can't pay their bills, poll show

Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7438 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:08 pm to
Teachers are becoming a bizarre self righteous cult when it comes to pay.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36659 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:10 pm to
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But they are required to be on campus and usually in meetings for time not in class. White collar workers have a much more flexible schedule


Just because you have a flexible schedule doesn't mean you are not working x number of hours. I'm willing to give you teachers work 10 to 11 hours a day, even though I think most don't. They still are working less or near the number of hours required for every other salaried employee.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3999 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:11 pm to
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teachers and their mythical math for salaries.


Common Core Math
Posted by Tarpon08
Cut Off, LA
Member since Dec 2014
8042 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:11 pm to
Yeah I did the math one time. During football season I average about 72 hours per week at work from Mon.-Sat. The pay does not reflect that
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 2:15 pm
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73556 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:13 pm to
i have 3 teachers in my family. all three spend some time during nights, weekends and even summer break developing "lesson plans" . I don't pretend to know what that involves but, i know they all do it.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36659 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:13 pm to
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Yeah I did the math one time. During football season I average about 72 hours per week at work from M-S. The pay does not reflect that


And according to the tard in the article if you did that 52 weeks a year your pay would be 10k
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:20 pm to

I'm self employed and work for myself.

You're on the clock and post all day. At the end Of the year, do you tell people you worked 40 hour weeks?
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42913 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:21 pm to
Why should we pay individuals whom the only skillset is dictation, the same wage as someone who builds networks, power systems, and/or medical?

You don't have to be smart to fill in a lesson plan sheet or grade tests.

I know I will get downvoted to smithereens but when anyone with a brain can do your job, why should you expect specialist pay?

Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
42322 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:22 pm to
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But to act like the guy in the OP is not full of shite


I'm not debating his lack of math skills. I think he shifted a decimal point and is making more like $20/ hr.....good thing he is a history teacher. he may have been bullshitting because his linkedin page shows him as an adjunct professor at the local college as well as a HS teacher.

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that you don't know a single white collar worker who works harder than a teacher is just bullshite


Well, I kind of know a doctor who puts in long hours. But other than that all white collar people I know have very flexible schedules and work pretty much 40 hours a week and make way more than $50k/ year that a Dallas teacher makes.
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:25 pm to
Good teachers don’t just dictate they actually teach and solve problems to help students learn more effectively.

By your same logic general practitioners only prescribe and have no actual skill or problem solving abilities. Anyone with access to Web MD could do it.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36659 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:26 pm to
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You're on the clock and post all day. At the end Of the year, do you tell people you worked 40 hour weeks?



I'm in a cyclical business. I don't have to work when I'm not busy, but when I am I work 60-80 hours a week. I'll be cranking up around mid Feb, March so I'll be working then. At the end of the year I probably come out averaging 50 or so hours a week
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36659 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:27 pm to
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By your same logic general practitioners only prescribe and have no actual skill or problem solving abilities.


By his logic GPs get paid less than specialists which is absolutely true
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:28 pm to
But still no medical knowledge necessary.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42913 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:30 pm to
You are trying to put someone with 8+ years of undergrad/graduate/OJT training in the same bucket with someone who had college classes that required no higher than basic calculus...IF THAT.
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:31 pm to
In that case, by your logic, I guess med school is not really necessary for GPs then.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18861 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:33 pm to
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but posters conveniently forget teachers have to do a lot of after hours work.


And other idiot posters conveniently forget that pretty much most professionals work after hours. That's life.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36659 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:33 pm to
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In that case, by your logic, I guess med school is not really necessary for GPs then.


You're grasping. Of course it is, just like college is necessary for teachers. But learning fluid dynamics is not the same as learning teaching strategies and corresponding pay should reflect that. Just like learning to diagnose the flu shouldn't lay the same as removing spinal tumors.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9882 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:35 pm to
The only group of workers more annoying than registered nurses are teachers.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:35 pm to

No one believes you perform an average of 50 hours per week. 10 hours per day. 8:00 - 7:00. With an hour for steakhouse lunches, mind you.

No one.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36659 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 2:37 pm to
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No one believes you perform an average of 50 hours per week. 10 hours per day. 8:00 - 7:00. With an hour for steakhouse lunches, mind you.

No one.


I don't really care, like I said I'm not busy right now but when I am it's typically at least 6 days a week. 12 hour days during the week and a full Saturday. By the way, I'm going to Perry's tomorrow, going to be good

On days I don't eat out, I don't eat lunch. Get to the office around 7:15 leave around 5:30 go to the gym, dinner, and work again until about 11
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 2:38 pm
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