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re: More problems at new MSY Terminal - broken pipes
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:34 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:34 pm to LSUFanHouston
Its built on a swamp and its sinking.
The plumbing is not the issue its the ground settling snapping the lines.
The old system was built in vaults or banks system it had an allowance for settling the new construction is under slab.
The general contractor and engineers have screwed this project up.
They poured a slab and the got venders to buy space and change the under slab plumbing so tbey just broke the slab up and re ran everything as opposed to building for the vender in the UG stage
The plumbing is not the issue its the ground settling snapping the lines.
The old system was built in vaults or banks system it had an allowance for settling the new construction is under slab.
The general contractor and engineers have screwed this project up.
They poured a slab and the got venders to buy space and change the under slab plumbing so tbey just broke the slab up and re ran everything as opposed to building for the vender in the UG stage
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:34 pm to arseinclarse
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and build right next to the swamp
you mean right in the swamp, that whole area off loyola was basically swamp up until 60-70 years ago then they started developing it. Drive down loyola everything is sinking light pole bases that are typically below grade are sticking up above the dirt. all the ground over there is sinking some areas more than others. Only somewhat and I stress somewhat stable ground around there is the area of land from airline south to the river.
Google earth street view showing a light pole base sticking out the ground
Normally in areas with those soil conditions, they account for the soil conditions, and all of the plumbing and underground piping below grade are suspended from the building foundation with hangers, so that when the earth sinks the pipes remain in the right spot. A lot of buildings in the new orleans area now have empty space below the slab where the ground is no longer there. that why they spend so much time with driving pilings. Pilings actually carry the load the soil doesn't.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:35 pm to GoIrish02
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On top of the current 1-2" of sinking, where the foundation is pulling away so much from the glass of windows the terminal is open to the elements, the joint venture forgot to account for the weight of the build out in the terminal (airline counters, computers, x-ray machines, conveyors, etc.) so the terminal will sink even more when they add the finishing work.
Any idea what is the fix for this?
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:40 pm to dj30
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Any idea what is the fix for this?
curious about this myself
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:41 pm to dj30
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Any idea what is the fix for this?
Cable Lock
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
It's a country wide engineering problem. Every city is having it. Baton Rouge library ?? San Francisco high rise condo building ?? The still under construction World War II museum hotel, designed by a company out of NEW YORK, is at a standstill. A year late because the steel beams that were used were undersized. Every floor sagging while under construction. Our universities are failing us badly.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:56 pm to Golfer
quote:and it sucks to fly to all of them
There’s plenty of major airports 40 min from city center.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:59 pm to dj30
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Any idea what is the fix for this?
I believe the Library in downtown BR is finished with the jacks that were holding it up, maybe they could use them.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:02 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Metro Service Group
Who does that consist of, never heard of them
Their main service is track pickup, they also have a group that handles construction services management. Probably known best to most locals as one of the trash pickup companies the city uses.
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AECOM Hunt
Never heard of them either
Global engineering and construction management firm, out of Indianapolis
If I had to guess... the engineering might not have taken into account all the soil issues here... but the lion share of the blame probably goes to Boh and Gibbs and their shitty subs.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:04 pm to Golfer
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There’s plenty of major airports 40 min from city center.
How many of them require crossing a major river or lake?
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
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How many of them require crossing a major river or lake?
Washington DC and New York City right off the top of my head
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:09 pm to Picayuner
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Our universities are failing us badly.
My uncle is an electrical engineer, and he constantly complains about the younger engineers. But he doesn't blame the companies per se.
Used to be, you would design stuff in an office, and then the engineer would head out to the job site, observe, see the issues, then head back to the office, resdesign, head back to the job site, etc.
Now, companies don't want to pay to send young engineers to the field anymore. The companies want them in the cubicles. Sure, you can send out a video crew to take video / pics and submit that to the office, but my uncle swears it's not the same.
So he believes we have an entire generation of engineers who can make pretty CAD drawings, but have no idea how stuff actually works in the real-world conditions.
I guess the universities aren't teaching this / doing this either because that was always left up to the companies.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
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How many of them require crossing a major river or lake?
Are we swimming them? What’s the problem?
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:11 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Washington DC and New York City right off the top of my head
I would not compare the Potomoc to the MS River... and a lot of stuff is on the same side of that river as the airport.
NYC... sure... and people despise flying into NYC.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:12 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Are we swimming them? What’s the problem?
There's a ton of roads between DFW and downtown Dallas, between Bush and downtown Houston, etc.
Having to cross a major river limits your routes. Imagine leaving downtown NOLA at 430 pm to catch a flight home, and your ability to catch a flight home is dependent upon the spillway not having any accidents.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:13 pm to bee Rye
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and it sucks to fly to all of them
Agreed. I wasn’t making the case for the relocation. Just pointing out the comparison.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:18 pm to Golfer
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Agreed. I wasn’t making the case for the relocation. Just pointing out the comparison.
Yeah, I think the location of the NOLA airport relative to the convention area is a huge positive for the city. Helps offset some of the other issues the city has when competing for major conventions.
If we lost that... I think we would lose more convention business.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Having to cross a major river limits your routes. Imagine leaving downtown NOLA at 430 pm to catch a flight home, and your ability to catch a flight home is dependent upon the spillway not having any accidents.
Are you telling me nobody in Dallas or Houston has missed a flight due to traffic?
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If we lost that... I think we would lose more convention business.
How much do you reckon we will lose by having an existing terminal that stopped having pretty much basic maintenance a year ago and a new one that might never actually be able to be occupied?
For the record, I think the current location is great. I also think the best option would have been a complete overhaul of the existing terminal setup at that location. For whatever reason, Mitch thought his plaque would look better across the runway, where there's no interstate access. He was a fricking disaster in every way possible.
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Their main service is track pickup, they also have a group that handles construction services management. Probably known best to most locals as one of the trash pickup companies the city uses.
yeah Metro Disposal was just picking up trash until Katrina came along
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