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re: More details emerge on "Cornell 7" .. "Jane Doe" and family swatted .. death threats p15

Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:23 pm to
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men don’t get to claim intoxication as means of escaping accountability or responsibility

what im unclear about is is this a societal expectation or is the law actually written this way as well.



give it time.
it won't be long before an intoxicated woman gets behind the wheel, slaughters an innocent family, and the media and the Left will be taking her side.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Spiced groves of ceaseless verdure
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:27 pm to
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I’ve maintained from the beginning that these men should claim rape.

Ingalls actually made that claim to Cornell, saying he was the one that was incapable of giving consent due to intoxication.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:29 pm to
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I really don't see your point. If they were so brilliant there would be no text message at all.


You don’t see my point that it takes a degree of stupidity that’s hard to imagine to confess to rape on a group text?

So your position is that they knew they were raping her and not only advertised their guilt but also put it on the permanent record?

And this position is so compelling to you that you are willing to disregard the much more reasonable explanation that they just thought they had a generational level slut on their hands that wanted more dick than what was available in the room at that moment, all of which is corroborated by her statements and actions that night and in the weeks that followed.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:35 pm to
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Of course, it could be either. If I were a detective though, I think I'd be a lot more likely to investigate where a girl claims she was not OK with a group text message going out for random guys to come frick her.


So you’re now suggesting there is a cover up conspiracy in addition to gang rape?

And I’m not sure what your point is in regards to detectives but the question is are you more likely to send the group text is you are knowingly raping someone or if you believe there is a next level slut wanting endless dick run through her?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
47018 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:37 pm to
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give it time.
it won't be long before an intoxicated woman gets behind the wheel, slaughters an innocent family, and the media and the Left will be taking her side.


Give it time? We're there now. We literally just had the trial of a woman who strangled her three children and a good percentage of this country wanted her to go free because they felt she wasn't responsible.

Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
3776 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:39 pm to
Saying it's the largest student protest at Cornell since the boomers did it with Viet-Nam.

Photos coming out of people running around vandalizing buildings and so forth.

A four-year degree at Cornell runs about $300,000 to $400,000, before aid.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:43 pm to
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DA Van Houten stated
"That wasn't information that I had... Nobody knows this information about the transcript, and that gives me something to really dig into because that changes the landscape for me."

Cornell says they sent everything. The DA says "That wasn't information that I had." The DA statement it's not an explicit denial. that the information was sent. It is a denial that he reviewed it.

I guess we might find the truth out when the DA actually takes the time to "dig into it."

Intuitively, it does not make sense that Cornell would take the actions they did against the students without dotting their i's and crossing their t's in this instance. It seems far more likely that an "overworked" and/or incompetent DAs office simply dropped the ball. But time will tell.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:46 pm to
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You don’t see my point that it takes a degree of stupidity that’s hard to imagine to confess to rape on a group text?

So your position is that they knew they were raping her and not only advertised their guilt but also put it on the permanent record?


I have made absolutely NO claim at all about whether she was raped or not. I don't know. You don't know.

All I've said is that the girl's claim is that she was willingly having sex and doing drugs with 2 or 3 friends.

So, no they were not raping her in anyone's side of the story at this point.


But, after she was high, the girl claims one of them then sent a group text for randoms to come join in without her knowledge or approval.

That's where it would become rape if that's the way it happened.


Is it really so hard to see that this version of it COULD be true.

It's just as reasonable to think it's totally possible that fricked up college guys went way too far to look cool with their bros and crossed a line as it is to simply 100% decide she desperately wanted more and more guys she didn't know to frick her as you have.

Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
3543 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:47 pm to
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That makes no sense. A person does not file a police report because they think no crime has been committed. Certainly, that would not be the assumption of a competent DA.

Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
20144 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:50 pm to
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So your position is that they knew they were raping her and not only advertised their guilt but also put it on the permanent record?


I doubt they put in any thought to the legal ramifications of the group chat at the time. They were all partying with alcohol and drugs
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
72014 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:56 pm to
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That makes no sense. A person does not file a police report because they think no crime has been committed.


It makes total sense when you add up everything in context. She waited several weeks from the time of the incident at that frat house to going to the campus police to file a report. During that time she was the subject of rumors and innuendos and, above all, slut-shaming. Her being disinvited from that particular fraternity's Halloween party was the last straw. Only then did she go to the police.

It's fairly obvious she went there with the intention of changing the narrative and claiming sexual assault, with the obvious objective of vengefully bringing down the men she had sex with. However, despite the fact that was what she was obviously there to do, she ended up signing an affidavit claiming everything that happened in that house was consensual. This was after she had engaged with text conversations with one of the alleged rapists saying that nothing illegal had happened.

Perhaps she had a change of heart, perhaps she had a crisis of conscience, or perhaps she just forgot why the hell she was there in the first place. Either way, she left the police station without claiming she was sexually assaulted at the frat house on the night in question.
This post was edited on 10/6/26 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36927 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:57 pm to
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I have made absolutely NO claim at all about whether she was raped or not. I don't know. You don't know.


You seemed to be implying that the texts were prima facie evidence of rape, and they couldn’t exist within any other context.

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But, after she was high, the girl claims one of them then sent a group text for randoms to come join in without her knowledge or approval. That'


According to the DA anytime she wanted something to stop it did, which to my understanding, is limited to one guy kissing her.

Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36927 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:58 pm to
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Saying it's the largest student protest at Cornell since the boomers did it with Viet-Nam. Photos coming out of people running around vandalizing buildings and so forth. A four-year degree at Cornell runs about $300,000 to $400,000, before aid.


Wow they really want to see these young people of color to hang without due process.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
3776 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:59 pm to
You gotta wonder what the student-protesters at Cornell want.

They don't like the outcome, but what specific changes do they want made to prevent stuff like this from happening?

Anyone at Cornell could have gotten admitted to 99% of the universities in the US, but they chose Cornell. Everybody there presumably wanted to be there because they thought that's where they best fit in.

Now they don't like it and want to spray paint buildings and burn stuff down.

What happened? and what do they think they want to fix it?
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
76406 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 2:02 pm to
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but what specific changes do they want made to prevent stuff like this from happening?



full circle femanism. let's segregate the student body, male and female.


....as soon as they are able to define 'female'
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36927 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 2:05 pm to
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You gotta wonder what the student-protesters at Cornell want.


To force themselves on the campus, administration, and student body without consent.

Ironic ain’t it.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
3776 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 2:06 pm to
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According to the DA anytime she wanted something to stop it did, which to my understanding, is limited to one guy kissing her.


Will be wild if the one conviction they manage to get in this case is for the one guy that kissed her.

So every job application and background check for the rest of the dude's life he's gonna check [YES] to having been arrested or convicted of a crime and the the next block that says [Please Explain:] he'll have to put down.

"Kissed a girl getting gangbanged w/o consent."
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
3777 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 2:12 pm to
Cartman warned us about gingers.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
9895 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 2:13 pm to
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These are Cornell students, do you really think they would admit to a rape in discoverable format?


lol so the evidence being used to claim they did it is actually the evidence they didnt do it?

my son, i think you are an attorney.
Posted by bulletprooftiger
Member since Aug 2006
2604 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 2:18 pm to
This debate is un-resolvable because there enough information out there to support either position. I agree that the text message is what exposes the guys to criminal liability. I do not believe that there will be a conviction because the girl's story clearly changed, and not just between the day of and her decision to report the incident. The statement she signed off on describes a different situation than the lawsuit filed in her name.

To my knowledge,the statement the girl gave to Cornell is not available on the internet. However, the DA's summary of the statement is.

quote:

On the evening of October 19, 2024, Jane Doe walked the approximately one-mile distance from Lot 10 in the City of Ithaca to the Chi Phi Fraternity at 107 Edgemoor Lane to meet her friend Male Number 1. She had made plans to meet Male Number 1 earlier in the week and “had been texting [Male Number 1] that [she] was on the way.” Jane Doe described her level of intoxication as a “5 out of 10” when she arrived at the fraternity.

While there, Jane Doe opened one previously unopened can of beer. She and Male Number 1 “danced a little” in a way that “was definitely flirtatious in nature.” Male Number 1 brought Jane Doe to a “quiet area” and “asked how [Jane Doe] would feel about having a threesome with two male partners.”

Jane Doe “agreed due to how attracted [she] was to [Male Number 1] on top of [her] drunken curiousness.” When she learned that Male Number 2 would be the third participant, Jane Doe “remembered being excited because [she] thought that [Male Number 1 and Male Number 2] wanting to have a threesome meant that they were gay.”

The three engaged in a “threesome” involving oral and vaginal sex in a room of the fraternity. At the start of the threesome, Jane Doe described her intoxication level as “5 or 6 out of 10” and that she was “pretty ok with having this threesome.” The sexual conduct ended when Jane Doe “noticed that [Male Number 1] appeared really sleepy and was no longer fully erect.” She told Male Number 2 “[they] needed to stop having sex in order to make sure [Male Number 1] was ok. [Male Number 2] then stopped having sex with [Jane Doe].”

Male Number 1 said “he was going to take a nap and refresh himself” and “would eventually stumble his way from the couch to the bed.” While Male Number 1 slept,

“[Male Number 2] began to dry heave as if he was going to vomit. Jane Doe “began to take care of [Male Number 2] by patting his back while also waking [Male Number 1] every few minutes to make sure he was okay.” Jane Doe “was consoling [Male Number 2] on the couch and telling him that it was ok if he needed to vomit. [Male Number 2] told [Jane Doe] he was pretty sure he wasn’t going to vomit. Eventually, [Jane Doe and Male Number 2] would start making out for a very short amount of time.” While they were making out, “[Male Number 2] reached for the area near [her] vagina several times and each time he did, [she] would swat his hand away.”

Male Number 3 then knocked on the door of the room. Jane Doe “decided to let him in because it was his room.” She “opened the door” and let Male Number 3 in the room. Male Number 3 “introduced himself to [Jane Doe] and reached out to shake her hand.” “When [Jane Doe] made contact with [Male Number 3’s] hand, [Male Number 3] pulled [Jane Doe] into him and [they] began making out. While [Male Number 3] was kissing [her], [Male Number 2] began groping [her].” Eventually, “[Male Number 2, Male Number 3, and Jane Doe] would end up on the bed next to where [Male Number 1] was sleeping and [they] began to have a threesome.”

“[Male Number 1] would eventually wake up” and “said he wanted to take part and asked about making it a foursome, to which [Jane Doe] said ‘Hell No.” Jane Doe rejected this request “because [she] knew that a foursome meant that [she] would have to take part in anal sex.” Jane Doe then remembered Male Number 3 leaving the room.

A group of other men – later determined to be Male Number 4, Male Number 5, Male Number 6 and Male Number 7 – then entered the room. Jane Doe hid under the covers of the bed. Male Number 2 laid in the bed next to Jane Doe. Male Number 1 sat on the corner of the bed. Male Number 1 introduced the other males to Jane Doe.

Jane Doe had difficulty remembering parts of what happened next. She remembered

“[Male Number 7] said something very rude and mean to [her].” Male Number 7 apologized and “grabbed [her] face and started kissing [her].” Jane Doe “quickly backed away to stop [Male Number 7] from kissing [her].”

Male Number 2 “asked [Jane Doe] if she wanted to do more Ketamine.” At that, Jane Doe remembered “that [she] had taken Ketamine at some point on the couch with [Male Number 1 and Male Number 2] during this night” but she could not remember “where or when that took place.”

Jane Doe thought that she “had already done Ketamine once so why not do it a second time.” “At that point, [Male Number 2] poured a line of Ketamine on his erect penis, implying for [her] to snort the line. [Jane Doe] snorted the line of Ketamine, which was a heavy amount of Ketamine.” Jane Doe was under the covers of the bed at that point and “[Male Number 2] got under the covers with [her], where he again tried reaching for the area of [her] vagina.”

The males began complimenting Jane Doe and “talking about how pretty [she] was.” Male Number 4 “asked [Jane Doe] if they all could do drugs off of [her] perfect body.” Jane Doe responded, “Sure.” While the men were doing drugs off of her body, “[Male Number 3] and [another male] entered the room and said something like, ‘Ok we’re shutting down whatever the f*** this is.” Jane Doe felt dizzy due to a pre-existing medical condition causing dizziness combined with the effects of the Ketamine use. Male 5 or 6 (who apparently have the same first name) “encouraged [her] to stay seated as long as [she] needed.”

Eventually, “[Male Number 1] and [Male Number 4 ] ushered [Jane Doe] out of the room brought [her] upstairs to a small room.” Male Number 1 stated, “Let’s do more Ketamine.” Jane Doe “remembered snorting more Ketamine” and “remembered feeling extremely high.” Male Number 1 “said he wanted to have sex again because he wanted redemption for passing out earlier in the night.” Jane Doe initially stated that she was tired and asked Male Number 1, “What happened to just you and me?” Jane Doe could not remember how it started but she then engaged in a threesome with Male Number 1 and Male Number 4 involving oral sex and vaginal sex. She described her level of intoxication as “8 out of 10” at this point. “The threesome continued until at some point, around 5:45am, [Jane Doe] said [she] was tired and needed to turn in. At that point, both guys stopped the threesome with [her] as far as [she] can remember.”


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