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re: "Militarization of the Police" discussion
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:07 pm to jbgleason
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:07 pm to jbgleason
Here is a suggestion:
Stop protesting with looting and violence
Stop cursing the police.
then your voice of opposition will be tolerated.
Violent protest must get the hammer and nail treatment...
Stop protesting with looting and violence
Stop cursing the police.
then your voice of opposition will be tolerated.
Violent protest must get the hammer and nail treatment...
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:08 pm to HornsLife
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They are trained on all the weapons they use.
which is why they're running around with their guns pointed up
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:08 pm to HornsLife
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People always complain about the police until they need them for something.
I don't think police break up as much crime as we think. When I need the police and if I can call them at that point, the likelihood that they arrive after the incident is already over is pretty high.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:08 pm to Who Me
I know, I know.
I was just hoping for some common discourse and maybe, just maybe, someone would learn something.
Hopes dashed.
I was just hoping for some common discourse and maybe, just maybe, someone would learn something.
Hopes dashed.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:09 pm to ApexTiger
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Stop cursing the police.
If police curse citizens, can we ignore them until they stop? Or is that a one way street?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:11 pm to jbgleason
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And in response I have heard people call for "national standards" for all local PD's.
i definitely do not support that
a lot of the problem lies with the fact that every little town has a police department, especially in louisiana. lots of parishes would do well just to have the sheriff's office.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:11 pm to HornsLife
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They are trained on all the weapons they use.
Did you miss the link above where tons and tons of former military guys are telling everyone what a bunch of jackasses the guys in Ferguson look like by NOT looking like they've ever been trained in the use of the weapons they're running around with?
Or are you suggesting they're doing it correctly and they simply have a less strenuous set of SOP's than our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan did while on active duty overseas?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:13 pm to NIH
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a lot of the problem lies with the fact that every little town has a police department, especially in louisiana. lots of parishes would do well just to have the sheriff's office.
Agreed. It has been in the news lately that a couple of local PD's have been shut down by town councils. But is that a political issue or part of "militarization"? I think we are straying here.
I am still interested in why having an armored vehicle or a bullet resistant vest is a bad thing.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:14 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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When you prepare for war, you are no longer protecting. You are seeking and destroying an enemy.
When you are a hammer, everything is a nail.
Well put. To expound a little further, when police see themselves as a military force, every citizen then becomes an enemy combatant and their value is lessened.
Anyone that knows anything about actual effective policing will tell you that it's not about the hardware they are armed with, but the trust and relationships built in the community in which they police.
ETA: The MRAPS, weapons, fatigues, body armor, grenade launchers, etc. are all symptoms of the disease, not the disease itself.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:14 pm to the808bass
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I don't think police break up as much crime as we think. When I need the police and if I can call them at that point, the likelihood that they arrive after the incident is already over is pretty high.
The fact that we do have laws and police prevent people from doing things. You are probably like me and think "if it wasn't for prison" at least once on your morning commute.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:14 pm to ApexTiger
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Stop cursing the police.
frick that
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:16 pm to jbgleason
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How do you handle "armor"? By not getting shot correctly? Just like with the vehicle question: What is up with hating on police for having protection?
You keep going with this argument, assuming we are only talking about armor. Police are also practicing military style maneuvers and using military grade weapons.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:16 pm to jbgleason
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"Militarization of the Police" discussion
Yeah you have to love the irony here. We're on what the eight night of rioting & looting and yet the police is over militarized.
Seems to me if the police were really this militarized they'd have put down these riots on day one.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:17 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Did you miss the link above where tons and tons of former military guys are telling everyone what a bunch of jackasses the guys in Ferguson look like by NOT looking like they've ever been trained in the use of the weapons they're running around with? Or are you suggesting they're doing it correctly and they simply have a less strenuous set of SOP's than our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan did while on active duty overseas?
Not a flame on the veteran's here but anyone being honest is going to know that many members of the military have minimal weapons training. Not to mention that it is a completely different skillset, being a soldier and being a policeman. UNLESS you guys are saying that being a soldier and being a policeman are the same and, in that case, shouldn't they have the same equipment?
Because a few minutes ago everyone was saying they are completely different things. So why do you give a crap what a soldier has to say about how a policeman does his job?
Note that I am being half sarcastic here.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:18 pm to VetteGuy
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The first time I saw "FTP" spray painted on an overturned police car, I wondered why people were protesting against File Transfer Protocol.
It's slow as shite, P2P4LIFE
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:18 pm to jbgleason
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So your argument is that the way you dress effects the way you act? So women that dress slutty deserve to be raped because they wanted it? If a guy wears pink, what does that mean?
Of course that's exactly what Im saying. Actually, If I see a woman dressed slutty I think she is more susceptible to being raped and therefore ignorant to her surroundings and how dangerous the world really is. I would also think she's probably one of the idiots that actually believes the police will be there to protect her if she ever finds herself in a shitty situation.
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Do you really think that every police officer fits this stereotype?
Nope. But, as everyone has already noted, in the smaller towns and surrounding areas of bigger cities, especially in south LA, the bottom of the barrel become officers. In my hometown, Ive seen some 350+ lb officers. How in the hell did they pass their fitness test? It's not as if Im pulling this out of my arse. In my experience, no one in the top 50% even of my graduating class went into law enforcement. I would be willing to bet that the majority on this board can back that claim.
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I bet you would shite a brick if a police officer came on here and stereotyped young African American males who listen to rap music as "drug dealing thugs."
I wouldnt shite a brick. Statistics say that they would be right in racially profiling that black male listening to rap music.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:18 pm to constant cough
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We're on what the eight night of rioting & looting and yet the police is over militarized.
you don't have to look like Bane to put down looting and rioting.
and don't you claim to be a hardcore conservative?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:20 pm to HornsLife
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The fact that we do have laws and police prevent people from doing things.
Other than occasionally slowing down a bit, I've never once decided NOT to commit some crime because of some police presence.
I'm sort of of the mind that character really does mean doing the right thing even when no one is looking...so a police officer standing near me is not what keeps me "in line."
FWIW law and police are two entirely different things. Laws don;t work because of police...they work, generally, because we, as a society, agree to live by them. The very small minority of outliers that do not do that are where police come in. The rest of us play by the rules because we understand it makes things work better.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 1:20 pm to jbgleason
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but anyone being honest is going to know that many members of the military have minimal weapons training
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Not to mention that it is a completely different skillset, being a soldier and being a policeman.
you don't have to be a navy seal to know not to run around pointing your guns at people. you only aim when you're prepared to shoot and kill.
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