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re: Middle school no longer using “F’s” in grading scale

Posted on 10/5/21 at 7:52 am to
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7906 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 7:52 am to
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It seems in many ways we are a society that hates excellence and celebrates mediocrity


Crabs in a bucket
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62003 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 7:53 am to
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It seems in many ways we are a society that hates excellence and celebrates mediocrity



From a liberal's point of view, it's much easier to just redefine the term excellence and mediocrity, and then pretend that they have accomplished something.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41350 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 7:53 am to
This is a terrible idea and only reinforces that minimal effort is all that is required and failure/lack of respect for commitments is acceptable.
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 7:56 am
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 7:56 am to
Once again, we are pandering to the wrong end of the bell curve.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 7:57 am to
I remember this concept popping up at various times in the past in different forms. It was all the rage for a time in the 90s.

Fortunately we have these random internet stories and social media now to help us stay in a constant state of agitation, outrage, and depression at the oncoming downfall of the country.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13162 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:02 am to
I don’t have a problem with giving kids an opportunity to improve on an F. If a kid is getting an F there is most likely something going on.
Posted by LSU2001
Cut Off, La.
Member since Nov 2007
2388 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:06 am to
This seems to be the latest iteration of “failure is not an option”and “zeros not allowed”. This was all the rage awhile back and the main selling point is that once a student gets a zero on a major grade it’s next to impossible to overcome and pass that grading period. So starting a grading scale at 50% then the student is able, with just a little effort, to get a passing grade for that grading period. Our district does the stupid thing of calculating grades based on a 4 point scale. So if a student gets an F all they have to do is get an A on another grade to equal out to a C. I always thought all of the above practices do nothing more than promote mediocrity and pass dumb and/or lazy students
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 8:09 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296170 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:08 am to
Race to the bottom.

Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20483 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:08 am to
We’re seeing this kind of thinking where I work as well.

Grades can no longer be given based on effort, compliance, or completion. Grades must be standards-based assessments. I kind of agree with this, but it removes the motivation and discipline for participating in class assignments. Considering a lot of classroom management is falling more on teacher lesson plans rather than addressing student behavior, it seems ridiculous that there’s not much a teacher can do to get a kid to do the work besides calling home.

What I don’t agree with is changing/removing grades when a student makes a good grade on a future assessment that tests the same standard.

For example, Timmy makes a 55 on a test in September that tests his ability to make inferences. If Timmy makes a 90 on a test in November that tests his ability to make inferences, Timmy’s 55 should be removed.

For one, what the frick. Two, just because we’re using the same skill doesn’t mean we’re applying it in the same context or in the same way.

Also, there’s been no answer to my question about what if Timmy makes a 55, then a 90, then a 55 later. Do I delete the 90 and reinstate the 55?
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 8:10 am
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11804 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:19 am to
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No longer using F
My high school algebra teacher did this 25 years ago and he was old as frick, so probably started it in the seventies.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59387 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:22 am to
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If a kid is getting an F there is most likely something going on.


Yeah, there’s something going on. The student has learned that attention and effort are not necessary to pass. If you don’t have attention and effort, you don’t have learning. If you don’t have learning, then why the frick have school? Thank God I only have three years left.

The thing that I’m most tired of is school systems giving lip service to high expectations for students and rigorous curriculums. When you actually apply these things in the classroom, the majority of students fail because they’ve learned that all they have to do is coast. When that many students fail, the teacher is told by administration that that’s not acceptable. You reach a point as a teacher where you just throw your hands up. Hands that are tied, that is.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53663 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:23 am to
The starting at 50% is a trend used in many districts already. Here is Oxford, we do it. We are forced to find ways to pass kids. It is ridiculous.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24626 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:25 am to
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I support this


Of course you do.

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Academic grades should reflect academic performance, nothing else.


bullshite
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2432 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:27 am to
The kids will still find a way to figure out who’s smart vs who is lazy or dumb. It’s like when the word for mentally challenged keeps changing. No matter what you change it to, it means the same thing.

Better to accept that people have strengths and weaknesses and help all kids have some kind of meaningful training that will allow them to support themselves. Not everyone will go to college or even graduate HS, but everyone will learn to do something. Some kids just can’t sit still 8 hours a day until they are 22, and shouldn’t.

That’s what should happen but i doubt ever will.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59387 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:32 am to
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Not everyone will go to college or even graduate HS, but everyone will learn to do something.


Yes, they will learn to hold their hand out. Many are well trained in that system before they even leave school.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
14218 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:32 am to
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"Therefore, grades will not include behaviors, attitude, tardiness to class, whether the assignment was turned on late or on time. There's other ways that we can communicate those things to parents and so they're not going to be included in grades.”



Public school is just day care for the majority of the kids at this point.
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2432 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:39 am to
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Yes, they will learn to hold their hand out. Many are well trained in that system before they even leave school.


Yep, and that’s why our society is going down the crapper.
Posted by tgrfan87
Oswego, IL
Member since Nov 2010
507 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:47 am to
I probably shouldn't admit this, but my wife (no pics) went to school there back in late 70's, early 80's. She wasn't too happy to read this.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18866 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:54 am to
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Yeah, there’s something going on. The student has learned that attention and effort are not necessary to pass. If you don’t have attention and effort, you don’t have learning. If you don’t have learning, then why the frick have school?


At the high school level I would agree. However, elementary school, and to a lesser extent middle school, you are supposed to be building a foundation and teaching kids HOW to learn. Instead, test score "results" based funding has pushed for nothing more than grade mills.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27137 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 8:58 am to
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not include behaviors, attitude, tardiness to class, whether the assignment was turned on late or on time
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This will translate so well to the workplace and college
Already sent this snippet to HR to update the company handbook. This job going be so much more fun when can I talk shite, act a jackass and show up late as long as I hit my quota!!
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 8:59 am
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