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re: Mid Barataria Diversion

Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:00 pm to
Posted by Oneforthemoney
New Iberia, La
Member since Dec 2013
2368 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:00 pm to
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Hope all the Assumption and Lafourche baws enjoy the $10,000 insurance premiums coming in 2030


They already 20k a year in grand isle
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31616 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:03 pm to
Agreed. This was posted by someone that likely hasn’t ever been South of Gretna. The land is vanishing. Rapidly. And we are going to let a few commercial fishermen (very few) paying off Fat Billy to stop it.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9042 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:05 pm to
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Link to studies?


here is one

It took me 30 seconds to find one.

Maybe I have this all wrong. It isn’t the oystermen or shrimpers in nungesser’s fat flab, it’s the dredging lobby snuggled under his fat flab.
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
9501 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:32 pm to
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In one small area about 15 miles wide


No. Throughout the bay area because the fresh water will make the marsh healthier and the marsh plants will hold the land together.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20478 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:37 pm to
They really need to quit pussy footing around and blow the levees south of BC. Take the 3B going to be used for this and use it to move the few remaining full-time residents out and fortify the needed infrastructure for the commercial/industries to remain.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6653 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:48 am to
Map below is from the mid 19th century, significant coastal marsh and land. Obviously before wide scale levee construction and other, more modern factors.



Map below, the upper panel is around year 2,000 while the lower panel is an estimate of the State's coastline by the end of this century, absent mitigation.



Landry has ordered a review of the Diversion project, along with proposed merging of the Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority, now headed by Landry appointee Gordon Dove, into the DNR.

Dove's floated an idea to create rock barriers along the coast "from Texas to Mississippi" and is apparently unaware of unconsolidated sediments low shear strength i.e. swamp mud to resist granite and other rock type loading.

The State's executive agency (Landry) is "negotiating" with Plaquemines Parish officials for a scaled down version, or cancellation (?) of the Diversion. This work is being done under an N.D.A. shielded from public scrutiny.

The fix is in, the deal is done.

To the dredging advocates, the answers you seek are in the USCOE EIS.

You do realize dredging is a full time activity to the end of the century vs a passive Diversion once built, and that there are not near enough Jones Act Dredges in the U.S. to conduct a project of this scale? Boskalis, anyone?

The more I think about it, the better "blow the levees south of Belle Chase" sounds as the most reasonable solution.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57647 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:26 am to
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Why? Because they won't waste billions on a big nothing?

Quit trying to fix nature. It's 100% a losing battle.

Remove previous man made shite and all will be fine, for free.




Those aren't mutually exclusive ideas. The problem is that the "man made shite" is what's fricked nature up. Removing it isn't cheap and nature won't "fix" itself until that's done. In the meantime, nature has adapted to what the "man made shite" has created and now Man is bitching about the potential results of letting nature fix itself.

You're literally bitching about both the cause AND the cure.

quote:

Guys like you are the idiots


Indeed.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
13286 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:35 am to
Mr. Breeze= 100% correct
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57647 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:21 am to
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Dove's floated an idea to create rock barriers along the coast "from Texas to Mississippi"


This is beyond my wheelhouse, but it sounds to me like that's the same sort of thinking as "just dig a canal from the Great Lakes to Northern California to fix the drought situation". In other words, the cost would be astronomical, at best it's only theoretical that it would even work and there appears to be no consideration towards any unforeseen impacts.
Posted by Marshhen
Port Eads
Member since Nov 2018
939 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:48 am to
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It took me 30 seconds to find one.


Well, that’s an article not a study. I’m just looking for an actual study that shows the actual comparison of dredging versus the diversion.
Posted by Marshhen
Port Eads
Member since Nov 2018
939 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:49 am to
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To the dredging advocates, the answers you seek are in the USCOE EIS.


Dredging was not studied in the EIS
Posted by lsufishnhunt
Member since Jun 2008
1043 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:52 am to
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This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 8:53 am
Posted by feedthepig20
Member since Dec 2007
1344 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:53 am to
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They really need to quit pussy footing around and blow the levees south of BC. Take the 3B going to be used for this and use it to move the few remaining full-time residents out and fortify the needed infrastructure for the commercial/industries to remain



This is the only way if the Louisiana coast is to be saved long term.
Posted by Elusiveporpi
Below I-10
Member since Feb 2011
2705 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:56 am to
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how much it will screw up the fishing industry


It will just make fishing different. It will be just as good. We need freshwater to push out all of the sharks and offshore fish that are moving way too far inland. Resort the salinity content that once was

The diversion is not just about the land.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72557 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:56 am to
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You get the government you vote for
This is true but it sounds so much better from the original 1811 source:

“Toute nation a le gouverement qu'elle merite.”
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35461 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:58 am to
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It is a tremendous price tag for what appears to be small gains.

It isn’t the States money.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4024 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:19 am to
No no no and no. I could flip the same argument against you. Semantics
Nature hasnt adapted to man made, thats why some argue that MORE intervention is needed.

There isn't a perfect cure. We gwt that. But wasting billions, and we know it will be over budget....on 25 miles of basically uninhabitable land 50 years later...well, thats just scary thinking. We would have zero clue what future problems would arise.

It just makes more sense to move in a direction that's more natural, that to dive further into man made crap thats fighting against nature and can be wiped out w one storm.

And we all agree, we would absolutely like to preserve and gain back our lost coastline.

No easy answers, but God let's not throw money away anymore
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62370 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:56 am to
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Quit trying to fix nature. It's 100% a losing battle.



The MBD is not trying to fix nature; it's trying to replicate nature.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62370 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:58 am to
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You're literally bitching about both the cause AND the cure.



He's probably the same guy I used to see with one bumper sticker that read "SAVE OUR COAST" and another that said "LOCKS AND LEVEES PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES."
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
43956 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:09 pm to
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Yes anything below Jesuit bend is completely fricked.


curious how much FEMA charges for flood insurance down there
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