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re: Mid Barataria Diversion
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:00 pm to WaydownSouth
Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:00 pm to WaydownSouth
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Hope all the Assumption and Lafourche baws enjoy the $10,000 insurance premiums coming in 2030
They already 20k a year in grand isle
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:03 pm to Deuce McWin
Agreed. This was posted by someone that likely hasn’t ever been South of Gretna. The land is vanishing. Rapidly. And we are going to let a few commercial fishermen (very few) paying off Fat Billy to stop it.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:05 pm to Marshhen
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Link to studies?
here is one
It took me 30 seconds to find one.
Maybe I have this all wrong. It isn’t the oystermen or shrimpers in nungesser’s fat flab, it’s the dredging lobby snuggled under his fat flab.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:32 pm to Boston911
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In one small area about 15 miles wide
No. Throughout the bay area because the fresh water will make the marsh healthier and the marsh plants will hold the land together.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:37 pm to cbree88
They really need to quit pussy footing around and blow the levees south of BC. Take the 3B going to be used for this and use it to move the few remaining full-time residents out and fortify the needed infrastructure for the commercial/industries to remain.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:48 am to Mr Breeze
Map below is from the mid 19th century, significant coastal marsh and land. Obviously before wide scale levee construction and other, more modern factors.
Map below, the upper panel is around year 2,000 while the lower panel is an estimate of the State's coastline by the end of this century, absent mitigation.
Landry has ordered a review of the Diversion project, along with proposed merging of the Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority, now headed by Landry appointee Gordon Dove, into the DNR.
Dove's floated an idea to create rock barriers along the coast "from Texas to Mississippi" and is apparently unaware of unconsolidated sediments low shear strength i.e. swamp mud to resist granite and other rock type loading.
The State's executive agency (Landry) is "negotiating" with Plaquemines Parish officials for a scaled down version, or cancellation (?) of the Diversion. This work is being done under an N.D.A. shielded from public scrutiny.
The fix is in, the deal is done.
To the dredging advocates, the answers you seek are in the USCOE EIS.
You do realize dredging is a full time activity to the end of the century vs a passive Diversion once built, and that there are not near enough Jones Act Dredges in the U.S. to conduct a project of this scale? Boskalis, anyone?
The more I think about it, the better "blow the levees south of Belle Chase" sounds as the most reasonable solution.
Map below, the upper panel is around year 2,000 while the lower panel is an estimate of the State's coastline by the end of this century, absent mitigation.
Landry has ordered a review of the Diversion project, along with proposed merging of the Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority, now headed by Landry appointee Gordon Dove, into the DNR.
Dove's floated an idea to create rock barriers along the coast "from Texas to Mississippi" and is apparently unaware of unconsolidated sediments low shear strength i.e. swamp mud to resist granite and other rock type loading.
The State's executive agency (Landry) is "negotiating" with Plaquemines Parish officials for a scaled down version, or cancellation (?) of the Diversion. This work is being done under an N.D.A. shielded from public scrutiny.
The fix is in, the deal is done.
To the dredging advocates, the answers you seek are in the USCOE EIS.
You do realize dredging is a full time activity to the end of the century vs a passive Diversion once built, and that there are not near enough Jones Act Dredges in the U.S. to conduct a project of this scale? Boskalis, anyone?
The more I think about it, the better "blow the levees south of Belle Chase" sounds as the most reasonable solution.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:26 am to ChatGPT of LA
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Why? Because they won't waste billions on a big nothing?
Quit trying to fix nature. It's 100% a losing battle.
Remove previous man made shite and all will be fine, for free.
Those aren't mutually exclusive ideas. The problem is that the "man made shite" is what's fricked nature up. Removing it isn't cheap and nature won't "fix" itself until that's done. In the meantime, nature has adapted to what the "man made shite" has created and now Man is bitching about the potential results of letting nature fix itself.
You're literally bitching about both the cause AND the cure.
quote:
Guys like you are the idiots
Indeed.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:21 am to Mr Breeze
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Dove's floated an idea to create rock barriers along the coast "from Texas to Mississippi"
This is beyond my wheelhouse, but it sounds to me like that's the same sort of thinking as "just dig a canal from the Great Lakes to Northern California to fix the drought situation". In other words, the cost would be astronomical, at best it's only theoretical that it would even work and there appears to be no consideration towards any unforeseen impacts.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:48 am to Junky
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It took me 30 seconds to find one.
Well, that’s an article not a study. I’m just looking for an actual study that shows the actual comparison of dredging versus the diversion.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:49 am to Mr Breeze
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To the dredging advocates, the answers you seek are in the USCOE EIS.
Dredging was not studied in the EIS
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:52 am to Marshhen
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This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 8:53 am
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:53 am to GREENHEAD22
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They really need to quit pussy footing around and blow the levees south of BC. Take the 3B going to be used for this and use it to move the few remaining full-time residents out and fortify the needed infrastructure for the commercial/industries to remain
This is the only way if the Louisiana coast is to be saved long term.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:56 am to lsufishnhunt
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how much it will screw up the fishing industry
It will just make fishing different. It will be just as good. We need freshwater to push out all of the sharks and offshore fish that are moving way too far inland. Resort the salinity content that once was
The diversion is not just about the land.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:56 am to Stealth Matrix
quote:This is true but it sounds so much better from the original 1811 source:
You get the government you vote for
“Toute nation a le gouverement qu'elle merite.”
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:58 am to lakeviewtiger
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It is a tremendous price tag for what appears to be small gains.
It isn’t the States money.
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:19 am to Bard
No no no and no. I could flip the same argument against you. Semantics
Nature hasnt adapted to man made, thats why some argue that MORE intervention is needed.
There isn't a perfect cure. We gwt that. But wasting billions, and we know it will be over budget....on 25 miles of basically uninhabitable land 50 years later...well, thats just scary thinking. We would have zero clue what future problems would arise.
It just makes more sense to move in a direction that's more natural, that to dive further into man made crap thats fighting against nature and can be wiped out w one storm.
And we all agree, we would absolutely like to preserve and gain back our lost coastline.
No easy answers, but God let's not throw money away anymore
Nature hasnt adapted to man made, thats why some argue that MORE intervention is needed.
There isn't a perfect cure. We gwt that. But wasting billions, and we know it will be over budget....on 25 miles of basically uninhabitable land 50 years later...well, thats just scary thinking. We would have zero clue what future problems would arise.
It just makes more sense to move in a direction that's more natural, that to dive further into man made crap thats fighting against nature and can be wiped out w one storm.
And we all agree, we would absolutely like to preserve and gain back our lost coastline.
No easy answers, but God let's not throw money away anymore
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:56 am to ChatGPT of LA
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Quit trying to fix nature. It's 100% a losing battle.
The MBD is not trying to fix nature; it's trying to replicate nature.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:58 am to Bard
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You're literally bitching about both the cause AND the cure.
He's probably the same guy I used to see with one bumper sticker that read "SAVE OUR COAST" and another that said "LOCKS AND LEVEES PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES."
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 11/29/24 at 12:09 pm to WhiteMandingo
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Yes anything below Jesuit bend is completely fricked.
curious how much FEMA charges for flood insurance down there
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