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re: Microsoft orders employees back to the office
Posted on 9/10/25 at 3:55 am to DesScorp
Posted on 9/10/25 at 3:55 am to DesScorp
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Traditional office culture has reasserted itself.
Private equity has asserted itself as shareholders demanding workers live in city centers where private equity also owns most of the rental property.
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Posted on 9/10/25 at 5:49 am to Gee Grenouille
If I owned a business and I wanted to use a work from home model for my employees, why wouldn’t I just hire workers in India and the Philippines? I’d save 75% on salary and the work product would be equal or better.
Most of the WFH people at my employer are being fired due to not working. Shocking I know.
Tell us again how you’re twice as productive not having to go to the office.
Most of the WFH people at my employer are being fired due to not working. Shocking I know.
Tell us again how you’re twice as productive not having to go to the office.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:11 am to Grinder
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I’d save 75% on salary and the work product would be equal or better.
I would hope you are saving more than 75%.
If you wanted to only save 25%, I’m fairly certain you can just hire Americans in lower cost of living areas or who will take lower pay for the flexible hours.
I somehow got into the Reddit overemployed board and while I’m sure that’s a small percentage and mostly bullshite like the OT, it is interesting how WFH allows people to work multiple jobs and what hoops people go through to do it.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:23 am to BDPops85
People that think Executives are ordering people to actually show up for work for anything other than suffering communication, collaboration, and coordination are asinine.
This was a temporary solution to maintain minimal productivity to carry corporations through COVID. It was never the ‘new normal’ to have over 50% of your workforce worthless and long delays of responsiveness while at home using excuses like bad connections, bringing my dog to the vet, or running a quick errand to Home Depot.
The bad players will be phased out until they eventually realize, as an adult, you have to act like someone with responsibilities. Most corporations have evaluated and are fine with the turnover and short term gap it will create. Sometime you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
This was a temporary solution to maintain minimal productivity to carry corporations through COVID. It was never the ‘new normal’ to have over 50% of your workforce worthless and long delays of responsiveness while at home using excuses like bad connections, bringing my dog to the vet, or running a quick errand to Home Depot.
The bad players will be phased out until they eventually realize, as an adult, you have to act like someone with responsibilities. Most corporations have evaluated and are fine with the turnover and short term gap it will create. Sometime you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:33 am to baldona
quote:I was shocked when I saw that
it is interesting how WFH allows people to work multiple jobs and what hoops people go through to do it.
“ I need to take vacation from job one to make a meeting for job 2”
Honestly, more power to you if you can do it, imagine making double salary for a few years until you get caught or burned out
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:58 am to fightin tigers
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shite workers are shite workers at home or at work.
If you have to lord over your employee you are shite at managing or shite at hiring.
Make sure their workload is known, follow through with verifying their workload is being done. Not that hard.
That doesn’t address the training/mentoring of new employees. Something every company has to do.
Sure you may be perfectly capable of doing your work from the house. Still doesn’t change the fact there is a big value from having at the same place working though
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:16 am to BoogaBear
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I have no one to collaborate with at my office.
Totally fair. There’s nothing worse than commuting to an office, just to do zoom calls, emails, and excel. That can all be done at home fully.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:22 am to BabyTac
Didn’t you steal from academy?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:05 am to Grinder
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If I owned a business and I wanted to use a work from home model for my employees, why wouldn’t I just hire workers in India and the Philippines? I’d save 75% on salary and the work product would be equal or better.
You’d save about 90%, but you’ve clearly never actually worked anywhere where they’ve tried this. It’s a fricking disaster
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:08 am to lostinbr
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but I would bet money that the majority of office space in the US is leased, not owned by the occupants. In that case, the “investment” is equipment and furniture.
Many of these leases are for very long terms and not easy to get out of
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:11 am to DavidTheGnome
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That doesn’t address the training/mentoring of new employees. Something every company has to do.
Sure you may be perfectly capable of doing your work from the house. Still doesn’t change the fact there is a big value from having at the same place working though
As needed hybrid will take care of that, build in a good training program. Have model where veteran employees can come in and provide support to new employees when needed.
It all depends on the group too, if you have a group of specialists that are doing different things, they should only need a few days of in person to get going because their coworkers won't be able to support their role if they have different specialties.
I'm a big proponent in putting brand new employees in field roles if you got them in your company before they can take a position in a work from home position.
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 8:12 am
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:15 am to DavidTheGnome
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That doesn’t address the training/mentoring of new employees. Something every company has to do.
Except companies have been doing this for years with no issue.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:17 am to Dam Guide
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As needed hybrid will take care of that, build in a good training program. Have model where veteran employees can come in and provide support to new employees when needed.
It all depends on the group too, if you have a group of specialists that are doing different things, they should only need a few days of in person to get going because their coworkers won't be able to support their role if they have different specialties.
I'm a big proponent in putting brand new employees in field roles if you got them in your company before they can take a position in a work from home position.
You still didn’t really answer his question
Training is THE problem with a wfh model. We hire hundreds (thousands) of kids right out of college every year, and there is a big learning curve with software and/or processes. I can’t assure it’s a million times easier to train these kids in person than over a teams call where you can only share one, sometimes laggy, screen at a time.
My answer is hybrid work is the answer, but hybrid doesn’t mean 3 days in the office every week on set days. It means you’re in the office when you need to be in the office, and it’s flexible all other times. The concession here is all hiring still needs to be local
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:23 am to Grinder
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why wouldn’t I just hire workers in India and the Philippines? I’d save 75% on salary and the work product would be equal or better.
Uhhhh no. Your work product would be hot garbage and you'd introduce language and culture barriers into your business.
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:42 am to DesScorp
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Microsoft orders employees back to the office
Middle management needs something to do all day
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:51 am to Grinder
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workers in India and the Philippines? I’d save 75% on salary and the work product would be equal or better.
Jesus dude. I've worked for an Indian company for three years, and dealt with both H1Bs here, and the retards in India. I don't know what kind of dumb shite citizens you work with, but this is absolutely not true. The only exception is when Indians that were born in the US, worked in professional services, and moved to India in their 30s. quote:
twice as productive not having to go to the office
Instead of spending 90 minutes getting ready for a commute and driving, I can be on my keyboard, at a desk I don't hate, in a chair I chose, with a keyboard I chose. I also don't have to worry about an a-hole on a conference call 24 inches from my left ear, or same said a-hole sneezing without covering his mouth for months on end, etc.
The last client I had to commute to in Houston was "in the office." But what this meant is I'd schedule a conference room less than 50' away from all participants, but they'd choose to dial in via Teams rather than walk to the conference room. So fricking productive.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 9:05 am to Grinder
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Grinder
Tell us your experience about work product from India or the Philippines being better than stateside work.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 9:22 am to fightin tigers
quote:People keep saying this but fully remote jobs are extremely difficult to obtain. The vast majority of the work force is going to have to accept they will be in an office whether they like it or not.
Sounds like a good way to downsize without laying people off. The good employees will still get fully remote work.
And most people (I would say 90%) who say “I work better and more efficiently at home!” actually don’t. My company brought people back in the office 2 years ago and production increased by almost 30% over the previous years when people worked from home. Most “adults” need a babysitter looking over them to make sure they are actually doing their job
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/10/25 at 9:58 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You still didn’t really answer his question
Training is THE problem with a wfh model. We hire hundreds (thousands) of kids right out of college every year, and there is a big learning curve with software and/or processes. I can’t assure it’s a million times easier to train these kids in person than over a teams call where you can only share one, sometimes laggy, screen at a time.
My answer is hybrid work is the answer, but hybrid doesn’t mean 3 days in the office every week on set days. It means you’re in the office when you need to be in the office, and it’s flexible all other times. The concession here is all hiring still needs to be local
We have the same answer.
I literally said as needed hybrid right off the bat. It's what we do, hell our hybrid doesn't necessarily even need to be in the main office building. I have gotten trained and given training in coffee shops and cafes. People just need to be able to meetup in person and give/get the training they need.
It depends on local for me now, my group use to be based out of the HQ when it was an in office position. A lot of us now live in the regions we support, so instead of travel to job sites, we travel to HQ which we do far less than job site visits. The people that moved prefer the new setup much better and that is definitely a better use of time.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:50 am to BabyTac
My job is required to be remote, i have to visit jobsites. I cant complete it without being onsite. I would love a free office to go prepare docs and send emails from that i didnt have to pay for. I just cant figure out your specific disdain for WFH. Who hurt you? Or are you just a massive douche?
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