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re: Medical marijuana does not help with anxiety, depression, doubles risk of addiction: study
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:15 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:15 pm to Pettifogger
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I do think the attempts to recharacterize weed as a drug of the professional, responsible family man and have that as the rule rather than the exception is ridiculous and completely undermined by the life experience of almost everyone who is honest about it
Honestly, you come across fairly sheltered on the subject and still holding on to tropes from the reefer madness and Just Say No propaganda campaigns. There have been a handful of people in this thread that have attested to knowing successful people that use marijuana. Is it the norm in the professional world? Certainly not in the south where it is illegal and the social stigma is still heavily attached to it, but it is fairly common in legal states. I’d venture a guess that you’d be shocked at the number of people in your work, church, and social circle that occasionally partake. I doubt it’s the majority of people in your circle, but likely more than you’d expect. I’m almost 50 and have been around weed and weed smokers since I was 14. It’s way more common than you appear to realize.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:20 pm to GreenRockTiger
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but I do know women who have been beaten at home by their pothead boyfriends
In Baton Rouge?
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:21 pm to Breauxsif
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In Baton Rouge?
Yes. And Chalmette.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:22 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:They burn the Doritos or something?
I do know women who have been beaten at home by their pothead boyfriends
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:30 pm to The Spleen
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Honestly, you come across fairly sheltered on the subject and still holding on to tropes from the reefer madness and Just Say No propaganda campaigns. There have been a handful of people in this thread that have attested to knowing successful people that use marijuana. Is it the norm in the professional world? Certainly not in the south where it is illegal and the social stigma is still heavily attached to it, but it is fairly common in legal states. I’d venture a guess that you’d be shocked at the number of people in your work, church, and social circle that occasionally partake. I doubt it’s the majority of people in your circle, but likely more than you’d expect. I’m almost 50 and have been around weed and weed smokers since I was 14. It’s way more common than you appear to realize.
Again, you guys just shift goalposts to suit whatever straw man you're burning here.
My comments were about people who self-medicate with weed, not accountants who smoke pot at their fun neighbor's house twice a month. It's true that I know very few professional, family oriented people who regularly buy and use marijuana. I know a few. I don't think I'd be "shocked" by the number of people in my church or work who smoke pot on a daily or multiple times a week basis. It's just not a big number.
Ultimately, it's not surprising that people who smoke weed regularly are obsessed with convincing everyone else of the normalcy of it. I don't think weed is taboo, I don't think occasional weed use is rare, nor a major societal ill. But yes, I do think the idea that regular (ie, dads with wives and kids who live in the burbs and work professional jobs) people are regularly smoking weed is exaggerated. But it's also worth noting that you and I probably have divergent views of normalcy, to an extent.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:32 pm to Pettifogger
quote:That's the politest way I've ever seen someone call someone else a degenerate.
But it's also worth noting that you and I probably have divergent views of normalcy, to an extent.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:36 pm to northshorebamaman
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They burn the Doritos or something?
Not sure but one friend of mine -her boyfriend would get real paranoid when he smoked - and he’d occasionally accuse her of cheating on him and he’d knock her around to see if she kept her story straight
My former neighbor beat his mother one night in the front yard. He was high, only thing in his possession was weed.
I’m not saying it’s the norm, but it happens. Any kind of drug can possibly exacerbate a propensity to do something.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:40 pm to Jim Rockford
So I don't see the actual study published, on the press release, I will dig some more when I am on campus.
You really need to read the methods they used to determine if there research is valid. One example of peer reviewed research the scientists fine the LETHAL dose of THC, knock it back just enough not to kill, then they directly dose fetuses of different animals with that barely less than lethal dose then claim that THC causes birth defects... um sure sherlock, if I give a developing fetus enough THC to almost kill them DAILY for there entire development I concede there will be birth defects, and I don't need a study for that but they try to make it sound like a mom smoking pot or getting second hand smoke will cause birth defects. It might, but we don't know because they don't test in the appropriate dose range. These are almost always sponsored, the stuff I am doing is not sponsored by anyone, the university is paying the bills for me and I work in the lab on other projects so I don't have to get sponsors or grants.
You really need to read the methods they used to determine if there research is valid. One example of peer reviewed research the scientists fine the LETHAL dose of THC, knock it back just enough not to kill, then they directly dose fetuses of different animals with that barely less than lethal dose then claim that THC causes birth defects... um sure sherlock, if I give a developing fetus enough THC to almost kill them DAILY for there entire development I concede there will be birth defects, and I don't need a study for that but they try to make it sound like a mom smoking pot or getting second hand smoke will cause birth defects. It might, but we don't know because they don't test in the appropriate dose range. These are almost always sponsored, the stuff I am doing is not sponsored by anyone, the university is paying the bills for me and I work in the lab on other projects so I don't have to get sponsors or grants.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:41 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:in that case, the weed has nothing to do with it
Yes. And Chalmette.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:53 pm to Jim Rockford
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A recent study found that medical marijuana fails to improve symptoms of pain, anxiety and depression and effectively doubles the risk of developing addictive symptoms and cannabis use disorder (CUD).
That's why we should drop the ridiculous "medical" pretense and just sell it legally for recreation only.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:57 pm to Pettifogger
Well, pardon me. The comment I responded to read like just a general opinion on how you felt marijuana was being re-characterized as a drug for professionals, and didn’t really mention anything about self-medicaters. I honestly don’t know a single user that defines their usage as self medication.
As for my definition of a regular user, I’d say at least once a month is a regular user.
As for my definition of a regular user, I’d say at least once a month is a regular user.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:08 pm to Pettifogger
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just shift goalposts
Telling you you’re wrong and shifting goalposts aren’t the same thing, just sayin’.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:21 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Not sure but one friend of mine -her boyfriend would get real paranoid when he smoked - and he’d occasionally accuse her of cheating on him and he’d knock her around to see if she kept her story straight
That's really trashy.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:24 pm to Breauxsif
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That's really trashy.
It is.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:29 pm to Pettifogger
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not accountants who smoke pot at their fun neighbor's house twice a month.

Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:30 pm to Breauxsif
I have a lot of thoughts on the topic...I'm a medical patient with a chronic pain condition and I'm generally very pro-marijuana.
That said, THC doesn't seem to really improve my pain generally. There's times that it does seem to, but it's not consistent, and smoking/vaping it seems to make things worse at times (perhaps the act of smoking increases inflammation? I don't know.). Heavy doses (100+ MG) of CBD do help with my pain, though.
Laugh off CUD all you want, but for me personally, as someone with an addictive personality, once I take my first hit/edible of the day I'm going to continue to keep getting high until I go to bed. It doesn't matter if it's 8:30 AM, 1 in the afternoon, or 7 at night...once I start, I don't stop. However, it doesn't really have a particularly negative impact on my life other than that I can't follow movies for shite when I'm high.
Pot can occasionally give me acute anxiety attacks, but typically it does ease my anxiety a bit. All of those things from my past or future that tend to persistently nag me are often forgotten when I'm smoking pot.
Getting high and meditating can take you way deeper into your mind (I mean this in the most positive way possible) than anything else on earth, aside from heavier psychedelics.
As with anything, anyone who's completely hard-lined in their stance on pot tends to be overlooking the reality of it because there are truthfully many pros as well as many cons. Regardless of everything I said here, there is absolutely ZERO reason that it should be illegal. And despite the fact that I will defend marijuana until the day I die, it's not the panacea that people want you to believe it is (but I do fully believe it can be very effective for specific conditions).
That said, THC doesn't seem to really improve my pain generally. There's times that it does seem to, but it's not consistent, and smoking/vaping it seems to make things worse at times (perhaps the act of smoking increases inflammation? I don't know.). Heavy doses (100+ MG) of CBD do help with my pain, though.
Laugh off CUD all you want, but for me personally, as someone with an addictive personality, once I take my first hit/edible of the day I'm going to continue to keep getting high until I go to bed. It doesn't matter if it's 8:30 AM, 1 in the afternoon, or 7 at night...once I start, I don't stop. However, it doesn't really have a particularly negative impact on my life other than that I can't follow movies for shite when I'm high.
Pot can occasionally give me acute anxiety attacks, but typically it does ease my anxiety a bit. All of those things from my past or future that tend to persistently nag me are often forgotten when I'm smoking pot.
Getting high and meditating can take you way deeper into your mind (I mean this in the most positive way possible) than anything else on earth, aside from heavier psychedelics.
As with anything, anyone who's completely hard-lined in their stance on pot tends to be overlooking the reality of it because there are truthfully many pros as well as many cons. Regardless of everything I said here, there is absolutely ZERO reason that it should be illegal. And despite the fact that I will defend marijuana until the day I die, it's not the panacea that people want you to believe it is (but I do fully believe it can be very effective for specific conditions).
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:42 pm to Jim Rockford
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Medical marijuana does not help with anxiety, depression, doubles risk of addiction:
I can 100% confirm that it is actually true.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:47 pm to Jim Rockford
When a story contradicts itself in a couple paragraphs. Well..
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There have been many claims about the benefits of medical marijuana for treating pain, insomnia, anxiety and depression, without sound scientific evidence to support them," said Professor Jodi Gilman in a news release.
And while marijuana has been shown to help ease pain and a few other health problems, two-thirds of U.S. states have decided pot should be legal to treat many other conditions with little scientific backing.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:48 pm to Jim Rockford
Pots are bad. Just make sure you keep on taking those pain killers and benzos. Money needs to be made
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:03 pm to bayouvette
I don't see how that's contradictory unless you're making the assumption that the "many claims" are the same exact claims being discussed in the later paragraph.
Marijuana does ease pain and other health problems. But it is not a wonder drug. Many people make unfounded snake oil claims about its benefits, without evidence. It's becoming big business and is a huge sector for growth, so it's no surprise. A cancer patient needing help with nausea or a combat veteran needing relief for anxiety, yeah, absolutely. Becky self-medicating with it because of her self-diagnosed OCD, maybe not so much sound evidence going on there. For every professional I know using marijuana responsibly I probably know two who use bullshite health reasons to justify their usage when they should just admit they really fricking love using marijuana daily. Which is fine if that's how they want to spend their time.
Marijuana does ease pain and other health problems. But it is not a wonder drug. Many people make unfounded snake oil claims about its benefits, without evidence. It's becoming big business and is a huge sector for growth, so it's no surprise. A cancer patient needing help with nausea or a combat veteran needing relief for anxiety, yeah, absolutely. Becky self-medicating with it because of her self-diagnosed OCD, maybe not so much sound evidence going on there. For every professional I know using marijuana responsibly I probably know two who use bullshite health reasons to justify their usage when they should just admit they really fricking love using marijuana daily. Which is fine if that's how they want to spend their time.
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