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re: McKnight shooter released from custody...Cliffnotes of Normand press conf inside
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:35 pm to the808bass
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:35 pm to the808bass
In no way am I defending McKnight, but I feel that Gasser perhaps could have found a way to diffuse the situation other than shooting. Situations like this are the reason these laws are disputed by liberals. There would be fewer people trying to change stand-your-ground laws if people used them more responsibly.
Gasser may very well have had legal justification to do what he did, but that doesn't mean he made all the right moves during the escalation of the situation. He could have called 911, drove to a police station, drove to a crowded area where others could intervene, drove away after McKnight approached, etc. Instead, he likely ended up in a situation where he believed his only option was to fire his gun.
Again, I might have shot McKnight once he reached in, but I would have done everything in my power to prevent the situation from escalating to that point, and I'm not sure Gasser made enough of an effort. That said, he should still probably get off and spend the rest of his life knowing he's an idiot.
Gasser may very well have had legal justification to do what he did, but that doesn't mean he made all the right moves during the escalation of the situation. He could have called 911, drove to a police station, drove to a crowded area where others could intervene, drove away after McKnight approached, etc. Instead, he likely ended up in a situation where he believed his only option was to fire his gun.
Again, I might have shot McKnight once he reached in, but I would have done everything in my power to prevent the situation from escalating to that point, and I'm not sure Gasser made enough of an effort. That said, he should still probably get off and spend the rest of his life knowing he's an idiot.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 5:40 pm
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:38 pm to PointsInCase
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In no way am I defending McKnight, but I feel that Gasser perhaps could have found a way to diffuse the situation other than shooting.
Sure. Doesn't matter. And it's not really a good argument against SYG laws. You can count on one hand the serious discussions that we've had as a nation about these cases. And they're always when a minority is killed by a white (or someone the media is pretending is).
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:39 pm to PointsInCase
How about these liberals learn to not take shite that isn't their own and not try to assault someone... Then you don't get shot.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:41 pm to the808bass
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Sure. Doesn't matter. And it's not really a good argument against SYG laws. You can count on one hand the serious discussions that we've had as a nation about these cases. And they're always when a minority is killed by a white (or someone the media is pretending is).
I agree I doesn't matter in regard to the case. Gasser should be free. But he's still an idiot and makes people question our current stand-your-ground laws. He should have let go of his pride and found another way. Just my two cents. He ain't no hero,
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:42 pm to PointsInCase
I think there is some truth to what you're saying, but I don't think you can blow the law up as a result. However, I do fully believe that a concealed carry permit holder who is well versed on his rights is going to be less likely to avoid a situation where deadly force would be warranted. I don't mean to suggest Gasser was itching to kill someone by any means, but I do believe that if he knew his rights, he's less likely than the average Joe to make an attempt to de-escalate the situation. If he knows he can shoot him the moment he reaches into his car, he may not be as motivated to avoid that result as someone who is unaware or unarmed.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:43 pm to PointsInCase
Other than going to a police station, we don't know that Gasser didn't do all of that before shooting.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:44 pm to the808bass
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I know I only drive to where I live. Nowhere else.
But the shooting occurred in Terrytown, if you are going to Terrytown you would get off the Terry exit. Not exit in Algiers. The route they took makes no sense.
One car was following another one for a long time. No way one car much less two cars takes that route.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:45 pm to TigerFred
Why did he roll the window all the way down? You can talk to someone with your window cracked
Maybe he thought about firing his gun before mcknight came in the window
Maybe he thought about firing his gun before mcknight came in the window
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:48 pm to slackster
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I think there is some truth to what you're saying, but I don't think you can blow the law up as a result. However, I do fully believe that a concealed carry permit holder who is well versed on his rights is going to be less likely to avoid a situation where deadly force would be warranted. I don't mean to suggest Gasser was itching to kill someone by any means, but I do believe that if he knew his rights, he's less likely than the average Joe to make an attempt to de-escalate the situation. If he knows he can shoot him the moment he reaches into his car, he may not be as motivated to avoid that result as someone who is unaware or unarmed.
I don't want to blow up the law. I agree with it. I just think Gasser acted irresponsibly prior to the altercation at his window. Once the situation escalated, he did what many responsible people would have done.
A similar (and very extreme) example would be leaving my doors unlocked and lots of high-dollar items in plain site in my home, then shooting an intruder. At that point, I would be daring someone to come into my home so that I could exercise my rights. Of course, Gasser's situation is much less extreme.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:49 pm to PointsInCase
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But he's still an idiot and makes people question our current stand-your-ground laws.
1) We don't know he's an idiot. If he would've been involved with someone else and not a former NFL player, we might not even be talking about it.
2) People question everything. Idiots existence isn't a good reason to get rid of self-defense laws.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:54 pm to the808bass
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1) We don't know he's an idiot. If he would've been involved with someone else and not a former NFL player, we might not even be talking about it.
Wait, what? He'd be less of an idiot if he killed a regular person instead of a famous person?
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:55 pm to TigerintheNO
That is just another way to go to Terrytown. Maybe Gasser lived off of Carol Sue and Berhman Hwy. Maybe he knew there was traffic on Terry Parkway?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:56 pm to PointsInCase
My second sentence was tangential. We don't know much of anything about the case. We cannot know that the shooter is indeed an idiot.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:57 pm to the808bass
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My second sentence was tangential. We don't know much of anything about the case. We cannot know that the shooter is indeed an idiot.
Oh, then I agree. We don't know yet. But the facts we have point to Gasser being dumb, albeit in the clear from a legal standpoint.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:59 pm to the808bass
Not shocked that witnesses lied about the incident given the race of the shooter but I am shocked out the faux outrage on this board, if that man would have been named DaMarcus Jenkins instead of Joe McKnight the narrative on here would be much different.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:59 pm to the808bass
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We don't know much of anything about the case.
1. Gasser did not stand over McKnight and shoot him
2. Gasser fired three times from inside his vehicle (the three bullet casings were found inside his car)
3. McKnight was not apologizing before he was shot
4. No video thus far of the incident
5. Protesters warned not to block West Bank Expressway...protesters told they can peacefully protest, but will not be allowed to block roads...
6. Person that raised Joe McKnight used to be JPSO deputy
7. Road rage incident started on Miss River Bridge, continued on to Gen DeGaul, and then on to Berman Highway.
8. One of the men cut off the other...possibly recklessly
9. Gasser does not have law enforcement background
10. Gasser has a police record from an issue 10 years ago
11. Stand Your Ground defense may be at play here
12. Police still trying to find witnesses that would have seen the incident
This is all we really know for sure
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:00 pm to PointsInCase
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But the facts we have point to Gasser being dumb,
please state those facts
Please
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:01 pm to Amazing Moves
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It seems like this incident was drawn out long enough to place a phone call. If the police would have been involved then Joe would be alive today.
He may have, we don't know. If he did, he was in New Orleans when it was placed. You think NOPD was going to respond to that shite? JPSO probably would, but NOPD is doubtful.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:02 pm to jg8623
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Yep, I can definitely tell those are McKnights dust prints only and didn't come from anything else...
Perhaps you can't but the JPSO did confirm the smudge marks on the car door belonged to McKnight. This corresponded to the sequence of events other witnesses told JPSO investigators on the scene who saw what happened which is why he was released and not charged.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Why did he roll the window all the way down? You can talk to someone with your window cracked
Maybe he thought about firing his gun before mcknight came in the window
maybe he already had his windows down b/c he was enjoying the nice weather
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