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re: Matthew Naquin Guilty
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:21 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:21 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Yet people die from heat stroke from football far more than from fraternity hazing...
I wouldn't say far more....the numbers are probably pretty close to being the same...2-4 a year
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:22 pm to TheCaterpillar
There should be protections(for the player) for that as well.
Practicing for football shouldn’t kill a healthy player and players should have reasonable expectations that their coaches won’t ask them to do a lethal amount of running/drills.
Practicing for football shouldn’t kill a healthy player and players should have reasonable expectations that their coaches won’t ask them to do a lethal amount of running/drills.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:24 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Practicing for football shouldn’t kill a healthy player and players should have reasonable expectations that their coaches won’t ask them to do a lethal amount of running/drills.
Most of those deaths are undiagnosed heart issues
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:25 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Ah the ole baseball douche gene never dies inside of former college players.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
Don't take things so seriously, I was just poking fun at the one guy who attacked me. Yes, there are douche athletes and douche frat guys. I'm sure if you met me in person we would get along just fine. I'm just a down to earth, old, coonass, LSU fan just like you probably.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:27 pm to bma28
if you're college age, and you don't know that everclear is extremely dangerous and very very very potent then you should probably stick to community college and your parents house.
if just about anyone had told me I had to take numerous chugs of everclear in order to do anything i'd have told them to frick right off because that shite sucks.
if just about anyone had told me I had to take numerous chugs of everclear in order to do anything i'd have told them to frick right off because that shite sucks.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:28 pm to J_Hingle
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its like playing a drinking game and the guy going for glory drinks too much and dies, and the hot chick, that everyone wants to bag, is convicted for pouring the drinks
Not in this sense but a similar case actually happened like this. A bartender was arrested for overserving a patron who later shot up a party at his ex-wife's house.
CNN
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:30 pm to YouAre8Up
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Could the kid just have said no thanks and walked away? The kid that died holds just as much responsibility. We are responsible for our own actions, not the guy next to us.
A max 5 years for the situation reflects that he’s certainly not primarily responsible
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:40 pm to Areddishfish
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Not in this sense but a similar case actually happened like this. A bartender was arrested for overserving a patron who later shot up a party at his ex-wife's house.
She is only being charged with the misdemeanor violation for over-serving him and violating the alcoholic beverage code.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 2:44 pm to bma28
quote:Me and my room mate held off most of Theta Xi in the hallway of the dorm with a pair of nunchuks. Apparently sneaking the fearless Theta Xi leader's drunken girlfriend and her friend into our dorm was against their list of unwritten rules
Never forget the time an entire Frat locked themselves in a bar (owner was a legacy) to avoid an arse whipping at the hands of my College Baseball team. Good times and the only memory I have of Frat Boys
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:00 pm to Midtiger farm
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I'd bet if you looked at the avg fraternity member 5 years after college compared to the avg non fraternity member, the fraternity member would be deemed more successful more times than not
This is self selecting for wealth, which is self selecting for future wealth.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:14 pm to Cocotheape
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This is self selecting for wealth, which is self selecting for future wealth.
Probably true to some extent, although fraternity wealth is probably overblown. I knew just as many non-greek guys from well-to-do families in college.
But take away the monetary/professional success component. I strongly suspect former frat guys in the SEC go on to be respectable (family men, community involvement, etc.) at the same rate or higher as non-frat guys.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:17 pm to Upperdecker
quote:Better than having no life at all like Gruver and the pain and agony his family has to live with.
He’ll be a convicted felon with no college education when he finishes his prison stint. You think life will be easy for him after that?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:32 pm to PhiTiger1764
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Personal responsibility takes a big fat L today.
I don’t agree.
It is true that Mr. Gruver could have prevented his fatal outcome by making better decisions.
It is also true that Mr. Naquin (and others) contributed to Max’s death. They could have prevented Mr. Gruver’s death by making better decisions.
There is personal responsibility involved in not being the person who encourages an extremely drunk person to drink more and more and more liquor.
Holding Mr Naquin accountable for his role doesn’t mean Mr Gruver is not accountable for his.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:33 pm to NOSHAU
quote:Gruver's roomate took the stand and said he was drunk/on drugs for 23 out of the 28 days they lived together
Better than having no life at all like Gruver and the pain and agony his family has to live with.
He was on a bad path by own self choices yet we have decided to charge a person with his death
Weird days we live in
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:41 pm to lsupride87
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Gruver's roomate took the stand and said he was drunk/on drugs for 23 out of the 28 days they lived together
He was on a bad path by own self choices yet we have decided to charge a person with his death
Weird days we live in
I would say an argument could be made that this situation increases the culpability of the active member's actions here. You have a guy who is trying to be a member (brother?) of your club already on a downward spiral. If you have so little awareness of that (if that's what's being asserted in defense here) that you demand/cajole/whatever him to ingest copious amounts of essentially pure grain alcohol, you are likely a ginormous piece of shite, who should probably face some consequences from a civil society.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:43 pm to OKellsBells
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I don’t agree.
It is true that Mr. Gruver could have prevented his fatal outcome by making better decisions.
It is also true that Mr. Naquin (and others) contributed to Max’s death. They could have prevented Mr. Gruver’s death by making better decisions.
There is personal responsibility involved in not being the person who encourages an extremely drunk person to drink more and more and more liquor.
Holding Mr Naquin accountable for his role doesn’t mean Mr Gruver is not accountable for his.
I see your point. And I'd certainly agree that Naquin has moral culpability here. He did something morally wrong and contributed to someone's death, regardless of legal causation.
But, 99% of the attention on these stories nationally is on the evils of the hazing fraternity, not the idea that 18 year old men should be standing up for themselves and taking their lives into their own hands. When this shite is on the Today show, it's not about how Gruver could have saved his own life, it's about how fraternities are some relic of the past filled with privileged white men who don't have consciences.
And I think that matters, and sends a (bad) message.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:44 pm to Upperdecker
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He’ll be a convicted felon with no college education when he finishes his prison stint. You think life will be easy for him after that?
Didn't some dude who killed someone when he was a teenager recently graduate from LSU?
All I am saying is that while it will not be easy, he will still have the opportunity to do something.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:45 pm to lsupride87
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Gruver's roomate took the stand and said he was drunk/on drugs for 23 out of the 28 days they lived together
Is that really that out of line for a college freshman?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:46 pm to jchamil
quote:Yes
Is that really that out of line for a college freshman?
You have issues if you are only sober 5 days in a month
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:47 pm to lsupride87
quote:Should we also lock his roommate for not checking him into a Detox and Treatment Center before he was hazed to death?
Gruver's roomate took the stand and said he was drunk/on drugs for 23 out of the 28 days they lived together
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