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re: Math Experts: GMAT Help

Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:31 pm to
Posted by FootballNostradamus
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:31 pm to
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I don't want to type out a novel on here but I highly recommend you read the chapter on data sufficiency from the OG. It spells it out word for word exactly what you're looking for.

GMAT prep now also has some good intro videos. Check this one out LINK

Finally, remember that the GMAT is not a math test or a verbal test. It is a problem solving/critical thinking exam. The math is pretty easy and so is the verbal, it's the way they disguise the problems that really screws with you.


Good stuff man, thanks! Yea all of the questions have been super easy, and I'm starting to pickup on where their little tricks are. I'm using GMATPrep but didn't know they had videos too. Thanks!
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:33 pm to
I used Target Test Prep for quant. Can't recommend that company enough. I was mid 600's and they got me over the final hump to a 700.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:39 pm to
Dang, dude. You need to put off the exam.
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:41 pm to
Yeah, I think that's how they're trying to trip you up. You don't have enough information to solve for m and n, but that doesn't matter since that isn't what the question asked.

I've never taken the GMAT, so take this with a grain of salt. Just make sure you're answering the question that they are asking. Seems obvious, but it's an easy mistake to make.
Posted by Breauxsif
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:42 pm to
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Dang, dude. You need to put off the exam.


He's menstruating and needs to take a fricking Xani bar.
Posted by KillTheGophers
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 3:50 pm to
C

Always go with C
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:05 pm to
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You really asked us about this child problem? You sure you're cut out for grad school?

m = 9 n = 6

quote:

m = 9

n = 6

ETA : I grow grass for a living. Get your shite together, son.



Keep growing grass please
Posted by BatonRougeBuckeye
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:13 pm to
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Does 2m - 3n = 0?

1) m /= 0
2) 6m = 9n

There are then 5 options of:

A. Equation 1 alone is sufficient
B. Equation 2 alone is sufficient
C. Both equations are sufficient alone
D. Equations are sufficient but only together
E. Neither equation is sufficient, even if they're togethe


The answer to this is D and heres why. 2m-3n "could' equal zero but you cant say that it "does" equal 0 by equation 1 alone. If 6m=9n you can solve for the value of n as it relates to m and that would be n=6/9m or n=2/3m in simplest form. Therefore if n=2/3m and we already know that m=0 then n also=0. Y

You need both equations to have sufficient data to determine that yes it does indeed equal 0. Either equation alone allows for the possibility that they equal 0 but both together are required to prove it with certainty.
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 4:25 pm to
I'm pretty sure that m /= 0 means that m does not equal 0
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 5:41 pm to
quote:

Does 2m - 3n = 0?

1) m /= 0
2) 6m = 9n


Here I will throw a monkey wrench into the equation. Is there sufficient evidence that m=/=0, and therefore n=/=0? In pure mathematics terms this is referred to as the null solution.

I would argue that because it's necessary to establish that the null solution is not viable that both are required to establish 2m-3n=0.

My answer would have been D.

I am sure GMAT will disagree though.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 5:42 pm to
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The answer to this is D and heres why. 2m-3n "could' equal zero but you cant say that it "does" equal 0 by equation 1 alone. If 6m=9n you can solve for the value of n as it relates to m and that would be n=6/9m or n=2/3m in simplest form. Therefore if n=2/3m and we already know that m=0 then n also=0. Y

You need both equations to have sufficient data to determine that yes it does indeed equal 0. Either equation alone allows for the possibility that they equal 0 but both together are required to prove it with certainty.


Said much better than I did.
Posted by mikrit54
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 5:47 pm to
Posted by Mufassa
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 6:03 pm to
You could actually draw the solution to this as a line on a graph. If you put n as the y-axis and m as the x axis, the line would pass through the origin (0,0) and would continue with a slope of 2/3 forever in both directions. There are an infinite number of m,n combinations, but these values don't matter. The answer is B.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 6:35 pm to
For every unknown variable, you need an equation containing those variables. So 2 unknowns, two equations. 3 unknowns, 3 equations. The original equation is your first, you only need the 2ND from the list to get all the equations you need.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 6:49 pm to
quote:

quote:
Does 2m - 3n = 0?

1) m /= 0
2) 6m = 9n

There are then 5 options of:

A. Equation 1 alone is sufficient
B. Equation 2 alone is sufficient
C. Both equations are sufficient alone
D. Equations are sufficient but only together
E. Neither equation is sufficient, even if they're togethe



The answer to this is D and heres why. 2m-3n "could' equal zero but you cant say that it "does" equal 0 by equation 1 alone. If 6m=9n you can solve for the value of n as it relates to m and that would be n=6/9m or n=2/3m in simplest form. Therefore if n=2/3m and we already know that m=0 then n also=0. Y

You need both equations to have sufficient data to determine that yes it does indeed equal 0. Either equation alone allows for the possibility that they equal 0 but both together are required to prove it with certainty.


Dude, if 6m = 9n, then 6m - 9n = 0, and dividing both sides by 3 gives 2m - 3n = 0, which is the original equation. So the answer is (B).
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 6:51 pm
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 7:19 pm to
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For every unknown variable, you need an equation containing those variables. So 2 unknowns, two equations. 3 unknowns, 3 equations. The original equation is your first, you only need the 2ND from the list to get all the equations you need.


That's relevant if you're trying to solve a system of equations for the variables. That's not what the question is about. The question is about recognizing whether one equation is the same as the other and not being confused by the red herring that m != 0. The question is not concerned with the values of m and n.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 7/15/16 at 7:34 pm to
But by tying that equation to the problem and saying that it is now part of the system of equations, you have sufficient evidence to prove that the equation is true by solving as you would by replacing n in terms of m. That equation by itself is sufficient.

n=(6/9)m

Therefore

2m- 3*(6/9)m= 2m- (18/9)m= 2m-2m=0.


For those saying you must also know m/=0, why? It's not necessary. In simple terms of variables you can reduce it to show an argument minus itself is 0. So the one additional equation is sufficient.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 7:39 pm
Posted by StealthCalais11
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 7:37 pm to
Jesus. I just had the realization that there's no way in hell I would pass a college math class again. I have completely forgotten how to even begin solving that problem.
Posted by Wasp
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 7:45 pm to
Scored a 650 a few years ago.

Sufficient means that it is enough to answer the question. And 2 has enough information to answer the question.

D was always the trickiest answer for me because without fully working out a problem it would seem like 2 would be sufficient but it was definitely solvable when using 1 as well.
Posted by Wasp
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Posted on 7/15/16 at 7:47 pm to
The equation and 2 are the same equation.
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