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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion

Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:43 am to
Posted by MardiGrasCajun
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:43 am to
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ou say it right there. Mental illness is a common reason.

Newton, VT, UT clock tower, Aurora, these are all really high profile incidents and all are due to mental illness.


There are lots of people with mental illness in the world. The are not lots of mass shootings in the world in comparison to the amount of mentally ill people. For each of these mass murders, there was a trigger...a tipping point. The key to investigators is to find the trigger. What event or person(s) pushed this person to commit the crime?
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:45 am to
TD glass expert said the glass at the MB wasn't tempered, and wasn't up to code because it broken in sheets
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:46 am to
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Why in the hell would he give a frick about broken glass falling to the ground right before he unleashed Hell on 22000 people below?


To not give his position away? It wouldn’t take long to find exactly where a guy was when you hear and see shattered glass falling from a window.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:47 am to
So you're denying that there is a legit ISIS cell in the Philippines? Was there ever an Al Qaeda cell in the Philippines?
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:47 am to
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This is what I am wondering. Where did this guy get money to start just buying shite in cash



People. This isn't complicated. Someone that worked for a number of years for a defense contractor and saved his money and was laid off during a downturn would receive a severance. During this time there was this thing called the Savings and Loan crisis going on where a number real estate ventures were abruptly halted or sold for pennies on the dollar.

Combined with inflation and the appreciation in most markets since the 80's...it isn't hard to amass a few million in real estate assets if you keep flipping them into another property, or leverage existing assets for another loan.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:48 am to
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What event or person(s) pushed this person to commit the crime?

With mental illness involved, it could be something as simple as "my SO bought the wrong steak sauce". Or "why is it always red, the light is never green..those red lights have held me back from opportunity".
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:48 am to
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ISIS is as weak as they have ever been so they look for anything to take credit for to show they are still a threat.
They typically don't take credit for acts they weren't involved with. That's why most experts think the ISIS claims have some merit...remains to be seen.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:49 am to
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For each of these mass murders, there was a trigger...a tipping point. The key to investigators is to find the trigger. What event or person(s) pushed this person to commit the crime?


These are essentially the questions that I have posted in a few different threads. What is so broken in our society that this is how folks choose to lash out in this fashion?

Lack of faith, shame, virtue? The desire for accumulation of wealth? Media or advertising? social media? The thrusting of machinery (smart phones, PCs, tablets etc) into our lives?...

Guns do NOT make these folks lash out...they make it easier but WHY are they lashing out?

Maybe I should take this to the Psyche Board...
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:49 am to
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it isn't hard to amass a few million in real estate assets if you keep flipping them into another property, or leverage existing assets for another loan.


These aren't liquid assets though. How are you heavily invested and still gambling hundreds of thousands of dollars and throwing money around to family and girlfriends?

You and I know people that have the type of money this guy does, and they don't live lavishly. It is just suspicious to me.
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:49 am to
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To not give his position away? It wouldn’t take long to find exactly where a guy was when you hear and see shattered glass falling from a window.


Well, I figured they would follow the muzzle flash and/or gunshots but I guess they could have followed the falling glass...
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:50 am to
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Well, it's obviously big enough to take over the entire town of Marawi.


Read your own article. A few dozen members of ISIS, who called in people from the Middle East, and who have now pretty much been destroyed - in one of the only predominantly Muslim towns in the entire country. That's peanuts compared to what you people have been trying to make it. By reading some of the posts, you'd think the Philippines was Pakistan or Syria.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:50 am to
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These are essentially the questions that I have posted in a few different threads. What is so broken in our society that this is how folks choose to lash out in this fashion?

Lack of faith, shame, virtue? The desire for accumulation of wealth? Media or advertising? social media? The thrusting of machinery (smart phones, PCs, tablets etc) into our lives?...

Guns do NOT make these folks lash out...they make it easier but WHY are they lashing out?

Maybe I should take this to the Psyche Board...



Things that are so statistically rare are hard to predict or align with a certain issue/reason.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:50 am to
anyone know when the next press conference will be?
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:51 am to


I checked and it does. Don't know what significance it has.

LINK
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:52 am to
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So you're denying that there is a legit ISIS cell in the Philippines? Was there ever an Al Qaeda cell in the Philippines?


It's tiny. The odds of them having influence over a 64 year old white American man via his Filipino girlfriend have to be astronomical.
Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
6024 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:53 am to
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TD glass expert said the glass at the MB wasn't tempered, and wasn't up to code because it broken in sheets


Not shocking, but the TD glass "expert" is wrong. This is very much tempered glass:

Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31603 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:53 am to
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The odds of them having influence over a 64 year old white American man via his Filipino girlfriend have to be astronomical.


Meh, if they were actively seeking some pawn for years on the down low, it isn't nearly as astronomical.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:53 am to
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These aren't liquid assets though. How are you heavily invested and still gambling hundreds of thousands of dollars and throwing money around to family and girlfriends?

Being a successful professional gambler?
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42456 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:53 am to
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You and I know people that have the type of money this guy does, and they don't live lavishly. It is just suspicious to me.


Maybe he liquidated his assets and planned to go out with a bang when the money was all gone.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42456 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:55 am to
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Not shocking, but the TD glass "expert" is wrong. This is very much tempered glas


It's not like a 40 story glass building could hide a glass-code violation. Lol
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