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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion

Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:05 am to
The brother isn't some loser guys. He is wealthy and involved in Stephen's real estate dealings as well

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According to the AP, Eric Paddock described his brother as a multimillionaire and said they had business dealings and owned property together.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:05 am to
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I wonder how similar in personality he was to his brother (very strange).
I wonder if he was similarly weird/quirky like his brother but probably wayyyyy more affable and less seemingly socially awkward like his brother.

Obviously just a wild guess, but that's where I'd go with it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:06 am to
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The brother isn't some loser guys. He is wealthy and involved in Stephen's real estate dealings as well

yea, in the interview while he was talking about how much money his brother had, a couple of times he did mention that he also made a lot of money as well.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:07 am to
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Kinda sounds like the rationalization a traumatized brother would make, to the tee, no?
I don't necessarily think he is rationalizing. He's definitely more defensive in this video than the one yesterday and I think it's very likely due to whatever he's read online but without knowing what he read you can't really tell what exactly he's defending.

The one agenda I can see him with is pointing a finger at the hotels
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:09 am to
He also said that when he was ready to retire (2014; see FB post below), Stephen made his retirement very comfortable (and his mother's retirement very comfortable). When he refers to Stephen "taking care of the people he cared about" it seems like he means that Stephen gave them money.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:12 am to
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The one agenda I can see him with is pointing a finger at the hotels

Yea, not sure of the angle or relevance, but there was definite a hint of resentment towards the hotels for some reason.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31603 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:13 am to
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yea, in the interview while he was talking about how much money his brother had, a couple of times he did mention that he also made a lot of money as well.


It would be truly out of a movie if Stephen was laundering money through the casinos for bad people and got caught skimming money to himself and his brother.

Then they threaten to kill him and his brother's family if this guy doesn't pay them back and do something crazy. So they have him send his wife over, wire them $100k and shoot up America...debt paid

I'll remove the tinfoil hat now.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 10:15 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:13 am to
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I haven't heard anything about that...but around the 20 minute mark of the brother's interview, he said that Stephen treated the casino / gambling as a job; I guess insinuating that that's how he made his millions.



Or he used gambling as a way to launder money?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:14 am to
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When he refers to Stephen "taking care of the people he cared about" it seems like he means that Stephen gave them money.
I just watched the interview, unless I just don't remember perfectly, I'm almost certain he specifically stated his brother gave him money to make it possible for him to retire early, as you said.


Just something about when he speaks, it's like i have to put down everything and listen, and I just can't stop. He could go on for 2 hours, and I'd probably watch it all in 1 sitting.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31603 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:15 am to
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stout

ha, we both had the same thought

quote:

A source familiar with the matter told ABC News that Stephen Paddock was a "responsible gambler. He paid his bills, and he came back," adding that there was "no indication of any [financial] stress, any debt, any problems at all." "He was a very consistent player," the source said. "The notion of his winning or losing $40,000 seems very much within his norm."


Come on, I don't know many outside of professional/sponsored type poker players that make that kind of money solely from gambling.

Most poker players come into that with money, it isn't where they make their money.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 10:18 am
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:16 am to
Where did the seed money come from. Doubt Steven made enough working for the IRS or USPS. If he was a real estate mogul, the records will be uncovered soon.
Posted by When in Rome
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:16 am to
Oh, it definitely wouldn't surprise me if he was up to some illicit activity. There's clearly so much more to the story we don't know.
Posted by JetFuelTyga
Born in desert,raised in lion's den
Member since Feb 2016
1799 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:18 am to
I'm sure it has already been discussed somewhere in this mammoth thread, so I apologize.

But- what is everyone's thoughts on Stephen recently (in June, I believe) being prescribed diazepam (Valium)? This medication is said to have side effects that include aggression, hostility, and suicidal thoughts/actions.

From narconon.org:

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With Valium, these effects can include fits of rage or violence, aggression, excitement, irritability and hostility. A person may lose control of his impulses which can lead to anti-social behavior, especially among the very young and elderly. Some people may consider suicide. Others may become emotionally blunted.



Probably not fully to blame- but still something that should be looked into.
Posted by When in Rome
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:18 am to
quote:

I just watched the interview, unless I just don't remember perfectly, I'm almost certain he specifically stated his brother gave him money to make it possible for him to retire early, as you said.
He gave Eric money to retire, he gave their mom money to retire, and he insinuated that sending $100,000 to the Philippines to Marilou (although I don't think it has been confirmed that this went to Marilou) was totally in line with Stephen's typical behavior, as he "took care" of the people he cared about.
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Just something about when he speaks, it's like i have to put down everything and listen, and I just can't stop. He could go on for 2 hours, and I'd probably watch it all in 1 sitting.
Totally agree.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:18 am to
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insinuating that that's how he made his millions


Were has it be said he had millions, multi millionare could mean 2 million, based on his houses a the rental property he owns and his previous job, it is likely he had a net worth in the 2-4 million range.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31603 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:19 am to
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Where did the seed money come from


Illegal money from bad people (cartels, gun runners, terroristic groups, etc). He would just be the launderer. He certainly had the appropriate background for it.

If you've seen the show "Ozark", it would be like the Jason Batemen character.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122310 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:21 am to
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All of this makes perfect sense.

But I would then ask why she is now in the Philippines and why did he have the need to wire her $100K? $10K? I get it, but over a $100k? It is a little suspicious, IMO.



I can't answer that. Maybe since they were not married, he was just trying to set her up financially. He could have wrote a will, but IDK. He might have been involved in some white collar crime. Money laundering, some type of fraud.. Who knows. But I don't think there is some type of big conspiracy. Everytime something happens, people want to make it out to be more than it is.. Not saying that something can't happen, that is more to it that what we see at face value, but I am one who believes that in order to carry out some elaborate attack on many people, the less people who knows about it, the better chance there is to be able to pull it off.
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:21 am to
I think he knows the rug is about to get pulled out from under him. He is scared crazy.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45149 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:22 am to
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It would be truly out of a movie if Stephen was laundering money through the casinos for bad people and got caught skimming money to himself and his brother.

Then they threaten to kill him and his brother's family if this guy doesn't pay them back and do something crazy
This is feasible until the "do something crazy" part. Why would they want that kind of attention brought on if he was laundering money for them?
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:23 am to
Also said $100K isn't really that much money. The brother really made sure to let everyone know how wealthy they are. Strange.
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