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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:45 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:45 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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And that would be breaking the law and in the event someone were caught with one, they'd deal with that from a legal standpoint.
Something criminals care deeply about
That's not the only way it works though. Making it illegal doesn't stop a criminal, but it greatly limits the availability.
Like I've said numerous times, fully automatic weapons are rarely used in crimes. Their scarcity is the reason, not the fact that it's illegal to own with the proper stamp.
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:46 pm to OptionRight
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He strikes me as military because he lacks medical knowledge...checking pulse incorrectly and a few other details, but at least he was doing something....he was being more effective than anyone else there....As far as squeamishness about the video...unfortunately, that's just reality....it's hard for folks to process it that have never seen it before...that's what it's like unfortunately....Horrible situation for anyone to face...
I feel like he had zero qualifications at all.. in fact I’m honestly questioning his motives since he felt compelled to film it all... how can you possibly offer medical assistance with one arm...
I did hear him say his mom was a nurse though. I assume she was helping out
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:47 pm to TigerLicks
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The ISIS connection isn't necessarily over. GF was Filippino and could easily influence a degenerate gambler in debt. She also had 2 Soc Sec numbers and 2 husbands at the same time.
Well... That just means she's a backstabbing bitch. Doesn't mean ISIS.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:47 pm to upgrayedd
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Yeah, we wouldn't want someone to break the law. That always deters people from doing bad stuff like killing 60 people from a 32nd store window.
I ask this seriously - is there any difference between this logic and saying murder shouldn't be against the law because murderers aren't worried about the law?
I think there are better arguments against gun bans than saying criminals will break the law anyway so it's pointless.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:50 pm to FLTech
No words
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:52 pm to slackster
Not the same. You are literally only limiting what law abiding citizens will have. What does that accomplish?
Australia’s mandatory gun “buyback” program only got about 1/3 of the guns in the country. Who do you think still has those other 2/3 of guns?
Australia’s mandatory gun “buyback” program only got about 1/3 of the guns in the country. Who do you think still has those other 2/3 of guns?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:52 pm to Mr. Hangover
Well at least he had knowledge some people were alive and getting attention to them....the phone in the hand thing was a bit weird but was calling attention to those in need....better than turning the lights off and calling them deceased....Like the cops did....he was basically doing a uneducated mass casualty triage....only without training or being very effective but he was all they had at the time....any action is better than none
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:52 pm to OptionRight
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:53 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:At the beginning of the video, it just seemed like a drunk guy with a camera videoing this horrible aftermath.
I feel like he had zero qualifications at all.. in fact I’m honestly questioning his motives since he felt compelled to film it all... how can you possibly offer medical assistance with one arm...
When he was trying to get the lights back on - calling for EMTs and making a true effort - you could hear it in his voice. That's when my tune changed. I don't know what I would do in that situation. I'm sure his adrenaline was rolling and he wanted to do something to help.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:53 pm to slackster
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That's not the only way it works though. Making it illegal doesn't stop a criminal, but it greatly limits the availability.
And let's be real-- I think there's some fringe percentage that is less likely to go get illegal weapons in advance because they would rather die doing this then possibly live in prison if they get caught beforehand
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:53 pm to slackster
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I think there are better arguments against gun bans than saying criminals will break the law anyway so it's pointless.
I think banning items like bump stocks is a slippery slope. It always starts small and with the best of intentions but next thing you know you have given up more freedoms and criminals are still finding ways to carry out crimes so what have you accomplished?
I'd rather not go down that path.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:53 pm to slackster
Yes, One infringes on the Second Amendment.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:54 pm to TigerLicks
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The ISIS connection isn't necessarily over. GF was Filippino and could easily influence a degenerate gambler in debt. She also had 2 Soc Sec numbers and 2 husbands at the same time
The Philippines are more than 90% Christian. They have a very small Muslim population, and the presence of ISIS is minuscule, and that might be an overstatement.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:54 pm to slackster
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:55 pm to slackster
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I ask this seriously - is there any difference between this logic and saying murder shouldn't be against the law because murderers aren't worried about the law?
I think there are better arguments against gun bans than saying criminals will break the law anyway so it's pointless.
I'm not trying to get into some sort of philosophical debate. I'm simply saying that making feckless feel good laws don't do much in the way of actual protection.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:55 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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Australia’s mandatory gun “buyback” program only got about 1/3 of the guns in the country. Who do you think still has those other 2/3 of guns?
And rape literally tripled when criminals knew that the law abiding citizens were disarmed and couldn't fight back.
Like I said, all of this starts a slippery slope.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:56 pm to upgrayedd
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I'm simply saying that making feckless feel good laws don't do much in the way of actual protection.
Patriot act
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:56 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
I understand criminals don't care. That doesn't mean you burn the rule book.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:57 pm to stout
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Patriot act
That bullshite had some serious teeth, though. It's a great example of emotional knee-jerking, though.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 6:58 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Has Net commented on that video yet?
Uhhh, he's gonna need just a little more detail than that
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