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re: Mass shooting at Atlanta area high school
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:12 pm to Park duck
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:12 pm to Park duck
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insane asylums need to be brought back in a bad way.
Buddy of mine read the book "Closing the Asylums: Causes and Consequences of the Deinstitutionalization Movement" - I did not read it but he gave me a summary. Below is the description of the book (from Amazon):
One of the most significant medical and social initiatives of the twentieth century was the demolition of the traditional state hospitals that housed most of the mentally ill, and the placement of the patients out into the community. The causes of this deinstitutionalization included both idealism and legal pressures, newly effective medications, the establishment of nursing and group homes, the woeful inadequacy of the aging giant hospitals, and an attitudinal change that emphasized environmental and social factors, not organic ones, as primarily responsible for mental illness.
Though closing the asylums promised more freedom for many, encouraged community acceptance and enhanced outpatient opportunities, there were unintended consequences: increased homelessness, significant prison incarcerations of the mentally ill, inadequate community support or governmental funding. This book is written from the point of view of an academic neurologist who has served 60 years as an employee or consultant in typical state mental institutions in North Carolina and Ohio.
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:13 pm to Rex Feral
quote:
My wife is a SPED teacher.
My best friend is a SPED teacher at my daughter's school and I worry for her sanity every day
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:15 pm to dawgfan24348
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Pretty sure the founding fathers would agree limits are needed when guns today can mow down children in seconds.
You do realize that they even considered cannons on ships covered by the 2nd amendment.
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And this isn’t about feelings it’s about making sure this shite stops happening at the rate it is. But sure posture about how stubborn your are on one single amendment while we see yet incident where the blood of children gets shed in our schools again
Seems like a lot of feelings in this. You will bring up dead children but not the minorities that are killed by gun violence every day. Do you hate minorities? Seems like it.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:16 pm to dnm3305
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It is an absolute warzone in every major city in America, much of which isn't even reported or investigated.
So what do you feel the actual numbers are? Double? Triple? Quadruple?
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:17 pm to DVinBR
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Kids today are dealing with internet echo chambers, fake social media, and instant gratification which causes anxiety, depression, and other mental disorders. It all fits on a device with a screen that fits in the palm of your hand too.
Yet parents REFUSE to take the phones from them
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:20 pm to dnm3305
Politics aside, just the stats… Violent crime is down. Mass shootings are up since the 90s. What’s changed since then?
Access to an AR and mental health issues (caused in no small part by social media) are a bad combo for a bullied HS kid.
Access to an AR and mental health issues (caused in no small part by social media) are a bad combo for a bullied HS kid.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:20 pm to TheRouxGuru
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Yet parents REFUSE to take the phones from them
This, along with the breakdown of the family unit and generally not giving a shite about mental health, are the causes of incidents like today.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:21 pm to dnm3305
quote:If you were in NYC or Nola on the late 80s and early 90s you would realize you are very wrong
don't buy the bullshite charts that say "violence has declined by 67% since blah, blah, blah." bullshite. I put as much validity into something like that as I do in "vaccine efficacy" and "covid deaths". It's all bullshite. It is an absolute warzone in every major city in America, much of which isn't even reported or investigated. There has never been a time in the history of this country since perhaps it's 1776 inception where the 2nd amendment has been so important.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:21 pm to dawgfan24348
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is just isn’t true your argument is just nothing but fear mongering. We have evidence from other similar countries that gun regulation can work and cut down on massacres like this while also not leading to some hypothetical dictatorship.
It's 2024 so everyone has had far more than enough time to research, but this is the most ignorant comment that will be posted today, maybe on the entire internet.
The countries you compare the United States to do NOT have 400 million unregistered guns in the possession of their countrymen/countrywomen.
I can assure you, if the UK has 400 million guns floating around the filth over there would not be getting out of line.
There is no way to account for these weapons and there never will be, its what makes us much much different than any other country you guys try to compare us to. There is no comparison so just stop.
Facts.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:21 pm to idlewatcher
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Then the only people without guns would be law abiding people
Come on, we all know criminals follows the law.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:22 pm to dnm3305
Yeah violence has not declined. Many major cities have stopped reporting a lot of crime to the FBI.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:23 pm to dawgfan24348
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Western Europe for instance isn’t dealing with insane amounts of shootings like the US is
Yeah they are losing their country.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:23 pm to Rex Feral
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My wife is a SPED teacher. She had a student last year who was a straight up psychopath. He would attach teacher and students. He had zero remorse for any damage or pain he inflicted. The teacher's begged the parents to get the child help, but they wouldn't. The mom was busy posting selfies of her new hair cut and clothes on facebook while the dad was checked out. It was getting to the point that I was afraid for her safety.
My GF taught at a school last year in Abbeville. On two separate occasions a 9mm round was found in her classroom. One on the ground. One inside a student's folder. The principal was informed and did nothing about it.
That same student later in the year made a gun pointing motion at another teacher and threatened to bring a gun to school. The principal was informed and did nothing about it.
A week later the same student was caught with a gun on a school bus on the way to school. The bus driver confiscated the gun and showed the principal. The principal did not call the police, yet instead called a member of the school board. A police report was never filed. That student was back in school later that week.
Zero explanation was given to the teacher of what happened.
And the wheels on the bus go round and round.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:23 pm to Salmon
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:24 pm to PJinAtl
So so so many things to say.....first, prayers to those involved and their families.
Any tard that thinks banning guns fixes the problem needs to practice shutting the frick up, because they are PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Any tard that can't acknowledge that one gun in the hands of one capable individual could've neutrailized this situation very, very quickly IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
When our "founding fathers" invented FREEDOM, keeping and having guns was the second doctrine.
The problem...it's been said in here already...MENTAL HEALTH.
America needs to make broad motherfricking strides in mental wellness.
We solve problems by "mowing down" a school
Men can menstruate
Men can lactate
Women can [insert stupidity here]
"I'm not a biologist"
Transitioning
Identifying as
fricking pronouns
Kids think they are fricking animals
Adults shitting in litter boxes
MAPs are OK
Whatever the frick the newest LGQTB bullshite is
Etc
OK? Time to snap the frick out of it.
Go ahead and downvote, pussy. It might make you feel better about being WRONG.
Any tard that thinks banning guns fixes the problem needs to practice shutting the frick up, because they are PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Any tard that can't acknowledge that one gun in the hands of one capable individual could've neutrailized this situation very, very quickly IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
When our "founding fathers" invented FREEDOM, keeping and having guns was the second doctrine.
The problem...it's been said in here already...MENTAL HEALTH.
America needs to make broad motherfricking strides in mental wellness.
We solve problems by "mowing down" a school
Men can menstruate
Men can lactate
Women can [insert stupidity here]
"I'm not a biologist"
Transitioning
Identifying as
fricking pronouns
Kids think they are fricking animals
Adults shitting in litter boxes
MAPs are OK
Whatever the frick the newest LGQTB bullshite is
Etc
OK? Time to snap the frick out of it.
Go ahead and downvote, pussy. It might make you feel better about being WRONG.
This post was edited on 9/4/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:24 pm to Rex Feral
quote:
Western Europe for instance isn’t dealing with insane amounts of shootings like the US is
Just stabbings.
If they make the news
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:25 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:Spectating this online feels genuinely ghoulish.
This board's anxiously awaiting the race, gender, sexual orientation and political leanings of this shooter.
First, because you know it's just going to keep happening again and again and all you can do is hope that the next one won't be at your kid's school / your church / local shopping mall / workplace.
Second, because people genuinely are waiting with baited breath and hoping that any mass shooter is one of their side's "bad people." People on conservative leaning sites are praying that it's a transsexual with purple hair and fifty piercings who drives a Suburu with a "Free Palestine" bumper sticker, and people on left-wing sites are desperately hoping it's a sixty year-old white male in overalls with a bushy white beard and a "Don't tread on me" tattoo.
The victims are just footnotes in the ongoing political battle.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
Meh. Columbine was covered like nothing before it because no school shooting had been that deadly. I am by no means defending the media but it was a story worth covering. Odds are the kid who did this shooting doesn't know anything about the Columbine kids.
18 people were killed in the University of Texas shooting in 1996. A year prior to Columbine (1998) 15 people were injured, 5 killed, by an 11 and 13 year old at a middle school shooting in Arkansas.
Certainly, I'm not saying Columbine wasn't worthy of news coverage. But it was the first notable school shooting in the "information age", TV and internet, that provided wall to wall exposure, nation and worldwide, to so many people like never before.
I doubt any of those involved in the shooting today new anything about Columbine. But that was the even that triggered "mass school shootings" becoming a huge focal point of society...even though there were routinely shootings a schools for decades prior (though not necessarily on that scale)
Guns have always been available. Hell, you could argue they were much tougher to obtain in 1999 than they were in 1969. But if asked where the line between a school shooting being a sad, but brief news story, and something becoming a "societal epidemic", I'd argue it is Columbine because it was the first occasion it allowed kids who felt they were misfits and/or social outcast the opportunity to gain nation and worldwide infamy...even in death.
Posted on 9/4/24 at 2:30 pm to dawgfan24348
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Pretty sure the founding fathers would agree limits are needed when guns today can mow down children in seconds.
Shut up stupid. If the government can have it, the founding fathers wanted the citizens to have it. That's kind of the point.
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