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re: Mark Hughes, owner of the Cannery in NOLA had a private meeting with Latoya Cantrell

Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:11 pm to
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If you always think the current is the worst it may be a perspective issue.

She is pretty awful though and very well might be.



I actually never thought that about Ray Nay because I could foresee how bad any possible alternative could be.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:13 pm to
Also, Detroit was bigger than Nola at their apexes, right? I mean like the 60s/70s. And both have had declines since, right?

So this would be like Detroit, today, having another major decline.

I'm being serious, not being a hater.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51631 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:14 pm to
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no one going to live in metairie over Nola dude. unless you're poor. zero redeeming qualities about metairie


this. A lot of NOLA people love their NOLA address and would never be caught dead in Metairie, Chalmette, or Mandeville
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107300 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:14 pm to
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I'm being serious, not being a hater.



I know.

It was an awful apples/oranges comparison for any number of reasons.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:16 pm to
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Didn't a lot of the commercial and industrial interests there move out to the suburbs with them concurrently? They are no longer just "bedroom" communities. Seems not quite the same thing as the GNO area, which is much more geographically hamstrung in that regard - not to mention, lacking in industrial and commercial interests with much mobility.

You're kidding yourself if you think JP's got a population or potential economy that can sustain a major metro. Hell, more of it overall has been on a downswing than upswing in recent years, regardless of what's happening in Orleans.


These are certainly valid points, but there's plenty of industry in the surrounding area that to sustain jp in the medium term even if nola craters. Plants in St. James, the port ain't going anywhere, etc.

Regardless off all this, nola is still light years better than it was 20-30 years ago. Orleans could really go to shite and it would STILL be better than it was relatively recently.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 5:17 pm
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:30 pm to
HKIC
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Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15540 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:30 pm to
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Without those divisions, business owners may be more willing to make sacrifices to help out workers and may be more willing to work with the government to come up with solutions. DesTroya sees it as though she needs to keep everything shut down to protect a marginalized & vulnerable community in the midst of a racist virus.


Destroya doesn't have the knowledge or political capital to do anything other than issue orders. I have no doubt she thinks the virus is racists it is clear she has one approach to dealing with big problems that is using her authority. She is keeping everything shut down because she isn't capable of dealing with this any other way. The statues, street names etc. caused a division that isn't stopping street repairs, doing something about crime, or infrastructure.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:44 pm to
Oh this thread is going to be fun to read when I get home tonight
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 5:57 pm to
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I'll bet anything she has zero chance.
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Mr Perfect

Would you bet both of your TSLA shares?
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
27852 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:07 pm to
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Nola people voted her in. They deserve it


I don’t live there, so I’m wasn’t close to what was going on during mayoral elections. That said...was there no better candidate? I feel like any average Joe can run for the next election and defeat Latoya so long as he/she gets on the same page as these business owners.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34177 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:12 pm to
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I think so. He created the polarizing environment that divided the city in his attempts to get national recognition for future nation offices. He created the divide between business owners and service workers. Before his ill-fated endeavors, everyone was working together to make the city better. Now the service workers see DesTroya as beholden to business interest & business owners see her as beholden to SJW interests. The reality is she's an idiot, but neither side can agree & come together anymore. All this renaming everything is driving even more division into the community when school & street names have no impact on quality of life like crime, education, S&WB, street repair, etc. do. But the TP will just keep running articles about Nola's racial reckoning on slow news days, with some classic lines like "Jim Crow Era" this or "White supremacy that," while moving the three articles about new murders to the bottom of the headlines section so as to refrain from overemphasizing prejudices. ETA: Without those divisions, business owners may be more willing to make sacrifices to help out workers and may be more willing to work with the government to come up with solutions. DesTroya sees it as though she needs to keep everything shut down to protect a marginalized & vulnerable community in the midst of a racist virus. Also moving from Orleans to
Old Metairie currently.



This is all a load of horse crap. Mitch sucked, no doubt about it, but him pandering to the carpet bagging take em down Nola bunch (not natives) did not create more racial division between every day New Orleanians. There was no added tensions between industry workers and business owners. New Orleans still has some of the most intertwined and respectful racial relations as anywhere else in the country.

Toya is worse by a country mile. Mitch had his sights elsewhere and ignored nola’s problems. Toya is making up new problems left and right
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
33083 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:13 pm to
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A lot of NOLA people love their NOLA address and would never be caught dead in Metairie, Chalmette, or Mandeville


One of these is not like the other.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34177 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:17 pm to
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That's what I don't get.

If Nola business dies, the JP dies. That's the nature of suburbs.

Every time I see this discussion I'm confused at how people advocating for JP and admitting OP is dying think this will work long term.


JP however does have a lot of office space and room to build more high rises. With a more favorable business climate, and still being close enough to the ports and refinery industries. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Nola can exist as a tourist destination while the white collar workforce moves 8 miles.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:21 pm to
If Nola can "survive" then sure.

The undercurrent of this thread is that Nola won't survive in any way close to it's 2010-2020 run. Residents moving to JP while businesses in OP die isn't sustainable.

Also, re: high prices referenced earlier, you're paying a markup after a bubble (or, at least a markup on top of an inflated price point of pre-covid Nola). That makes NO sense.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34177 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:23 pm to
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You're kidding yourself if you think JP's got a population or potential economy that can sustain a major metro. Hell, more of it overall has been on a downswing than upswing in recent years, regardless of what's happening in Orleans.
umm why don’t you check Jefferson’s population vs orleans’ population. While you are there check education levels, average income, etc.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
26052 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:23 pm to
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A lot of NOLA people love their NOLA address and would never be caught dead in Metairie, Chalmette, or Mandeville


One of these is not like the other.


We don't want nola rejects in da parish dawlin
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 6:27 pm
Posted by Phideaux
Cades Cove
Member since May 2008
2577 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:29 pm to
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All liberal governors & mayors are being told by the Dem overlords to do everything they can to keep their states & cities SHUT DOWN until the election in hopes to hurt Trump.


Look no further than Nashville hiding low COVID positive case numbers documented from bars and restaurants to keep them shut down.
Posted by OleWar
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Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:33 pm to

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Regardless off all this, nola is still light years better than it was 20-30 years ago. Orleans could really go to shite and it would STILL be better than it was relatively recently.


The only thing that improved was the youth bulge went away and crime decreased. Light years pfffft. I grew up in the city twenty or thirty years ago and it has made not an iota of economic improvement. It is a third world welfare state having more in common with Port-au-Prince than any other city in the United States.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34177 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:38 pm to
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If Nola can "survive" then sure.

The undercurrent of this thread is that Nola won't survive in any way close to it's 2010-2020 run. Residents moving to JP while businesses in OP die isn't sustainable.

Also, re: high prices referenced earlier, you're paying a markup after a bubble (or, at least a markup on top of an inflated price point of pre-covid Nola). That makes NO sense.


Even with NOLA’s solid decade, it wasn’t built on the back of mid to large sized businesses. Nola itself can survive in tourism alone if you can get business into the surrounding area. Of course, the state would have to become more pro businesses in order for anything to happen. Plenty of space between the westbank (think near TPC), or the stretch from Laplace to Gonzales, or the I-12 corridor, that we could try to woo manufacturing. Think of how different things would be if we had just managed to be a player in the car factories that Alabama has been able to pull.
Unfortunately it would take a fundamental change in the way our government does things, just need someone to blow it all up
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107300 posts
Posted on 9/22/20 at 6:38 pm to
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umm why don’t you check Jefferson’s population vs orleans’ population.


Have you checked it? It’s been utterly stagnant for 40 years and it had basically nobody displaced because of Katrina. If it was any sort of a vibrant place, that should have been a boom for it. It wasn’t. It’s a quickly aging population to boot.

Schools there aren’t good. And any economic activity is tied to Orleans.

I’m not touting Orleans to shite on Jefferson. I’m just shifting on the metro because I see what’s happening. If you think gambling on Jefferson makes sense because Orleans is headed into the toilet, knock yourself out. Next piece of property I purchase won’t be in this state.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 6:40 pm
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