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re: Major overreaction by the government

Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:29 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:29 am to
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Although it is a bit over reactionary people are not going to be ruined by this


Of course they are. It's already happening.

Using data from a couple of years back, roughly 3/5 of Americans have less than $1000 saved for an emergency.

"Missing a paycheck" would constitute an emergency for those folks requiring selling something or incurring more debt. What is "missing 3 paychecks" going to do? Or 6? Or 10?

A lot of those jobs lost will be permanent job losses - certainly for a year or more.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58515 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:43 am to
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So you don't trust the experts who have devoted their lives to studying infectious diseases. Who do you trust then?

These “experts” have devoted their lives to sky screaming at trump and climate change. Why would a normal red blooded American listen to a little wuss nerd that tells them not to go to work and get drunk with their podnuhs?
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11906 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:45 am to
I actually had someone just now tell me if this saves one life it will be worth it.

The hell it won’t.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:50 am to
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Gimme a fricking break. I have a couple of friends on the front line of this shite and they feel like this is an overreaction.




What do they do on these front lines? Because I do as well. I also work in risk management and insurance within the healthcare field and let me tell you, my clients don’t see it the way you do. They are concerned their systems are going to be overwhelmed. Some of them already are.
Posted by fitz
Member since Dec 2019
666 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:53 am to
Ditto.

Wife is a doctor. Bunch of physician friends. One studying infectious disease at a top 3 university.

They definitely don’t see it the way he does.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:59 am to
ER nurse, paramedic, and pharma sales
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:59 am to
Yea I deal with some of the largest health systems and physician groups in the country, and they are....alarmed.

Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:03 am to
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ER nurse, paramedic, and pharma sales


The only credible one of these would be the ER nurse. And they have, to put it bluntly, seen some shite. Not surprised he or she is a bit of a hard arse.

I deal with risk managers and chief medical officers, among others. everyone I’ve encountered are of the line of thinking that there is no way to know is this is an overreaction, ever. But an under reaction would be very apparent. This was quoted somewhere recently and mentioned by more than one of my clients. I tend to agree.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466895 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:04 am to
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there is no way to know is this is an overreaction, ever. But an under reaction would be very apparent.

this rhetoric is basically tails i win, heads you lose
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:06 am to
IF, IIFFF it gets as bad as feared, we're going to lose either way. The question is do we pay now or later. And which one is going to cost more?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
40326 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:06 am to
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in my non-expert guess? yes



We'll see I guess. Goldman agrees with me.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:06 am to
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this rhetoric is basically tails i win, heads you lose


Not really

It’s just a CYA, in the event of the worst case scenario. Which is more than folks dying. As you know, it’s lawsuits and reputational damage. A health system can’t afford to be on the wrong side of history on this.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109735 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:08 am to
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It’s just a CYA, in the event of the worst case scenario. Which is more than folks dying. As you know, it’s lawsuits and reputational damage. A health system can’t afford to be on the wrong side of history on this.


If it’s really THIS, that’s actually worse with regard to these actions being taken.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62471 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:09 am to
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If it’s really THIS, that’s actually worse with regard to these actions being taken.


Agreed.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
71076 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:12 am to
I disagree. The ambulance rider is hands on with it as well and the sales guy is involved with selling test kit stuff. When the paramedic tells me it's time to panic I will panic.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:12 am to
Taking every precaution necessary to ensure patient safety and shielding yourself from litigation is a bad thing? Explain?

CYA isnt...always a bad thing. In this country it is the norm. And it doesn’t always equate to doing shady things. In this case, it’s quite the opposite.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69842 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:14 am to
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Although it is a bit over reactionary people are not going to be ruined by this


My neighbor manages several hotels in the Arlington-Crystal City, Virginia area and she is already being ruined by this. Hotels are at 30% occupancy and she just had to lay off quite a few people on Friday as a result of the lack of income.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62471 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:14 am to
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Taking every precaution necessary to ensure patient safety and shielding yourself from litigation is a bad thing? Explain?


How do you define "necessary"? You seem to think that whatever action happens to be taken is, ipso facto, necessary.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:15 am to
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The ambulance rider is hands on with it as well


Your EMT knows dogshit about a pandemic.

And pharma reps know next to nothing about patient safety in a health system. They know the drugs they are selling, and that’s where it ends. No shade, that’s the job. But they have absolutely no clue.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 8:16 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109735 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:16 am to
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CYA isnt...always a bad thing.


I didn’t say that, but if that’s all this is, I would argue IN THIS INSTANCE it seems it maybe would be. I REALLY HOPE there is more to this than that.
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