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re: Major overreaction by the government

Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:46 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95578 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:46 pm to
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Making sacrifices to help to ensure the well being of your neighbors and countrymen isn't socialism or communism


At this level? It is.

This is like asking Americans to give up cars because of auto deaths, which we're about 100/day, give or take.

If you say giving up cars is an overreaction, your entire post is moot.

If you agree it isn't an overreaction, then how do you get to work (before the Wuhan Flu ended employment as we know it in the U.S.)?

This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 10:47 pm
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:46 pm to
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You'd rather it be the other way around?


Decisions like these have been made throughout the course of human history. Just look at WWII alone.

We are jeopardizing an entire generation of people to try to save a handful. It's a tough call. I usually lean forward letting nature take its course though. Because usually the price paid up front will be steep, but less painful in the end than some governmental bumbling to attempt and maintain status quo.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41022 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:47 pm to
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Recessions cause death, too


Do you believe that demand for goods and services will be lower long term after this passes?
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
35867 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:50 pm to
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Decisions like these have been made throughout the course of human history. Just look at WWII alone.

We are jeopardizing an entire generation of people to try to save a handful. It's a tough call. I usually lean forward letting nature take its course though. Because usually the price paid up front will be steep, but less painful in the end than some governmental bumbling to attempt and maintain status quo.




The problem is this: the ones in charge are the generation at risk, so they are the ones putting this shite in place.


Why are they in charge?


Because people think if you are older, you must know better.


Also: the generation in power goes out and votes at an extremely higher rate than younger generations. As is always the case.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476313 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:51 pm to
The people who have large reserves will crush it with all the buy low opportunities

Our macro numbers may bounce back but it will mean an even more concentrated wealth paradigm

Lots of micro pain will fund those opportunities and that gap
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 10:51 pm
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:53 pm to
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The problem is this: the ones in charge are the generation at risk, so they are the ones putting this shite in place.



Yeah, that's always the case too.

And SFP's point about further concentrating wealth and resources is very valid as well.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:54 pm to
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Thank you so much for your keen insights into global pandemics.


Yep, the similarities to H1N1 are striking, glad we're tanking the economy to be safe.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41022 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 10:56 pm to
But will there be a recession that extends beyond this period of time.



There's a lot of fear in the markets. Things will rocket up again as soon as the public believes this is behind us. The oil price war may prevent us from getting back to where we were initially, but the market is reacting HARD to this covid crisis. Do you believe that the market and general demand for goods and services will be less after this thing passes?
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8205 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:13 pm to
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Man frick you... You sound like a spoiled bitch.


The freedoms that are given away so easily by people like you were paid for with the lives of your ancestors.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Posted by RabidTiger
Member since Nov 2009
3127 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:51 pm to
Y'all are acting like if they didn't shut things down then life would just continue as normal. The reality of the disease is going to assert itself regardless of what action we take. All we can try to control is how bad it's going to be. Look at what's happening in Italy right now. You think that could be happening here and everyone would just go about their business as usual? Everyone just ignores the collapse of our hospitals and medical staff and the economy hums along like normal? Get real.
Posted by RabidTiger
Member since Nov 2009
3127 posts
Posted on 3/16/20 at 11:58 pm to
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"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."


By this logic, those ancestors never would have fought for anything other than themselves. There's no stronger way to give up your essential liberty than joined the military and dying.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 2:46 am to
I don’t think you understand OP, this could literally destroy Civilization as we know it if it’s gets out of hand. They will do what they need to do to protect the government like always. If that cost 1 million, 100 million dead and/or bankrupts half the Country so be it, they will not flinch
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
10203 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 4:03 am to
Although it is a bit over reactionary people are not going to be ruined by this and stop being an over dramatic pussy. Yeah businesses will feel some pain and the markets will take a hit ,but we will be back soon enough. People can't handle change and adapt anymore.
Posted by Dominate308
South Florida
Member since Jan 2013
2895 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 5:10 am to
This is nothing but a ploy by Generation X to kill the Boomers and enslave the Millennials.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 5:20 am to
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This is nothing but a ploy by Generation X to kill the Boomers and enslave the Millennials.


frick. They're onto us.

Oh well. Whatever. Nevermind.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 5:23 am to
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Oh well. Whatever. Nevermind.


Come, as you are, doused in mud, soaked in bleach, as I waaaaaaaannnnttt you to be
Posted by BruslyTiger
Waiting on 420...
Member since Oct 2003
4785 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 5:31 am to


quote:

This is like asking Americans to give up cars because of auto deaths, which we're about 100/day, give or take.

The difference is that a car is not going to come into contact with hundreds of other cars a day with the potential to cause each of them to have a FATAL accident in two weeks.
quote:

Decisions like these have been made throughout the course of human history. Just look at WWII alone.
you are failing to remember that during WWII, there were curfews, rationing, liberties given up for the greater good and even Marshall law.

Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 5:35 am to
While that is true, I was referring more to deciding to nuke Japan and carpet bomb. Things like that

What we're deciding to do here is more akin to what people routinely lambast Europe for in placating Hitler for years instead of ripping the bandaid off and dealing with it quickly. Too many mixed metaphors here
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63571 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 5:36 am to
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The difference is that a car is not going to come into contact with hundreds of other cars a day with the potential to cause each of them to have a FATAL accident in two weeks.


What's the fatality rate for COVID-19?
Posted by BruslyTiger
Waiting on 420...
Member since Oct 2003
4785 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 5:46 am to
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What's the fatality rate for COVID-19?
Depending on the area of the world, and I would have to imagine, the quality and availability of healthcare, 0.8-4.2% from the CDC's website.
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