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AutoYes_Clown
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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deepening of the Lower Mississippi River to 50 feet


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New Panama Canal Max draft of 49.9 ft


With 1.25" to spare, definitely going to need to up pilot pay.


Gee Grenouille
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
so many "that's what she said" jokes


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StringedInstruments
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
This thread is way over my head.


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NYNolaguy1
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
On a serious note I am interested to see what this does to curtent flood stages for that portion of the Mississippi.


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SWCBonfire
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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ever since the new Panama Canal locks were opened, there has been a race to 50 feet among gulf coast and east coast ports including the lower mississippi (Port Nola, Port of Baton Rouge, Port of South Louisiana) Houston, Mobile, etc.


Port of Corpus Christi is planning on handling fully-laden VLCCs and Suezmax tankers at some facilities. IIRC, their minimum draft for every single facility is going to be -54' with up to another -4' for overdepth allowance and advanced maintenace dredging. That is going on now, they are working from Port A back towards La Quinta channel and the main port.

Everyone else is playing catch up. PoCC is now 3rd in the nation based on tonnage... lots and lots of Permian Basin crude exported (plus the Qmax ships for LNG, which are big but only draft in the 40's if memory serves).


FutureMikeVIII
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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Why is it a new project? Couldn't they just start going deeper during their routine operations?


Cuz the previous project was to only 45 ft?

I would think that this is mostly a funding and project management distinction. In reality, the govt will contract out to (or mobilize govt owned) existing dredges to deepen to 50 ft the existing nav channel, where needed, which is pretty similar in scope to existing operations. Prior to this “new project” there was never funding (or authorization?) to dredge to 50 ft.


Oilfieldbiology
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
It’s amazing to me how LA is always reactive in key infrastructure projects where Texas appears to be ahead on them.


Captain Crackysack
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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PoCC is now 3rd in the nation based on tonnage..

What always gets overlooked when discussing this topic is that the Lower Mississippi River encompasses multiple ports. There is Port Nola, Port of Baton Rouge, Port of South Louisiana, Port of Plaquemines and probably one or two more that I'm forgetting. When you add up the tonnage handled by all the ports on the lower Mississippi, nobody else is really even close. This project helps out all of those lower Mississippi ports
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
Louisiana always catering to the dredges of society.


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SeaBass23
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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It’s amazing to me how LA is always reactive in key infrastructure projects where Texas appears to be ahead on them.


The Panama Canal expansion was completed a couple of years ago. Other ports have been planning for this for a decade at least. Hell, in New York they’ve already built a new bridge to allow larger ships to come in.
I don’t think the depth of the Mississippi River is what’s holding Louisiana ports back, it’s more the time needed to transit and the costs associated with it.


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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
Don’t forget our absurd inventory tax system.


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LSU Tiger Bob
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
Politicians fixing to make bank!

Go to 55 or go home!


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Tarps99
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
Why stop at 50? We should have gone for the whole enchilada by going 66 feet to get the Suez traffic too.

The VLCC can always just use LOOP.


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SWCBonfire
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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Why is it a new project? Couldn't they just start going deeper during their routine operations?


Lot more to it than that. You have to slope back the soil so that it won't slough off into the deepened channel. That either means you keep the current slope back to shoreline the same and drastically narrow the width of the deeper channel, deepen it and widen the whole thing, or build massive bulkheads to hold back the existing shoreline before you deepen it. And if you have stratas of soils that don't behave nicely (like allow all the material on top to slide off once exposed), you have to do something to fix that.

Having a tiny narrow deep channel is the cheapest but not very practical or safe. Others are very, very expensive.


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Cowboyfan89
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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They should load the silt from this project onto barges and start another project for coastal restoration

Yeah, because all of the other projects we have going on have been so successful.

It seems like every few years we get a story about a barrier island being rebuilt, only for it to wash away again.

Coastal restoration in SELA is a losing battle as long as we just keep trying to build land. SELA was built by the river, and will die by the river.


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SWCBonfire
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
Your point is noted.

What you should then be asking: why is little old piss-ant Corpus Christi kicking your arse infrastructure-wise, and what will that do to future shipping volumes?


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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
An 82' draft is mind-blowing. You can't safely get anywhere near Louisiana drafting that much


The Goon
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
Will this support more LNG plants along the river with easier navigation?


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Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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An 82' draft is mind-blowing. You can't safely get anywhere near Louisiana drafting that much

They can't get anywhere near any port. ULCCs and VLCCs almost exclusively use offshore oil ports or offload\backload onto smaller shuttle tankers.
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Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
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re: Lower Mississippi River to be dredged to 50 feet. (not a river pilot thread)
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why is little old piss-ant Corpus Christi kicking your arse infrastructure-wise, and what will that do to future shipping volumes?
corpus Christi will never over take the lower Mississippi. They could dredge the channel to 100 feet.


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