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re: Louisiana chemical plant threatens to shut down if EPA emissions deadline isn’t relaxed
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:20 am to ragincajun03
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:20 am to ragincajun03
I hope they lose a frick ton of tax money and have to layoff half the police force. There are way too many St. James sheriffs compared to the population.
They'll be going after Marathon next.
They'll be going after Marathon next.
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:27 am to GrizzlyAlloy
quote:yeah it doesn’t really work like that, hoss.
I hope they lose a frick ton of tax money and have to layoff half the police force.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:33 am to White Bear
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I hope they lose a frick ton of tax money and have to layoff half the police force.
yeah it doesn’t really work like that, hoss.
Yeah, that wasn't a great example, but these facilities do pump taxes and related spend into these local economies.
When Shell Convent closed up, it really hurt the school system as a decent part of their taxes came from Shell payments.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:36 am to notiger1997
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A synthetic rubber manufacturer accused of increasing the cancer risk for the nearby majority-Black community
Want to take bets on which nearby 'community' will be severely financially impacted by a shut down of any sort? Then they will have something else to bitch about.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:39 am to ragincajun03
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Colloquially it is called Cancer Alley.
I fricking hate this name. The cancer rates are no higher in this area than any other area when accounting for economic factors.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:54 am to White Bear
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yeah it doesn’t really work like that, hoss.
Really?
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The impact on each agency that receives tax revenue from Shell will vary, based on revenue each receives from other sources. Parish government and the School Board benefit through property, inventory and sales tax collections from Shell while the Sheriff's Office doesn't get the sales taxes.
The local governments, however, can also expect further economic reverberations once the parish loses its share of the salaries of 700 direct employees and 400 additional contractors. The complex also supports an array of smaller businesses that feed its workers, fuel their trucks and supply equipment and services.
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:58 am to GrizzlyAlloy
I’m talking about the sheriff downsizing, usually doesn’t happen unless shits really bad. Lol. Gov likes to grow, does not like to shrink is my point.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:03 am to White Bear
My comment about the sheriff was tongue in cheek. My main point is I hope they feel it in the pocket book.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:04 am to ragincajun03
The EPA has been up Denkas arse with a flashlight for several years and is using them as an example of what they'd like to do to every other plant. The amount of money they spend just to stay in compliance with their consent decree is wild.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:07 am to ragincajun03
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Come on, man! We’ll just replace those dirty jobs and dirty money with clean jobs and clean money from unicorn poop and fairy farts.
Coming up in a few minutes, Greg Browser, President of the LA Chemical Association, is supposed to be on the Moon Griffon show talking about this issue. I’ve liked talking with him in the past and seems like a great person to represent the state’s chemical industry.
The head of EPA Region 6 is a notorious enemy of industry and she loves using the Env Justice initiative to hold these companies hostage. Just like when dealing with any other powerful government entity, the process is the punishment because the feds have unlimited time, money, and resources.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:14 am to GrizzlyAlloy
quote:Thats not going to happen.
I hope they lose a frick ton of tax money and have to layoff half the police force.
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There are way too many St. James sheriffs compared to the population.They'll be going after Marathon next.
Denka and Marathon are in St. John parish.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:17 am to lostinbr
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It’s dumb. These plants were built in areas with river access, rail access, and low population density. The fact that the relatively few people living in these areas are majority black has nothing to do with it.
Liar!! They specifically chose that location so they could kill black people.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:20 am to jmh5724
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Has been proven false many times since this term became popular in the 80s. This is and always has been about extortion. The surrounding community probably has a 75% smoker rate they won’t mention.
Also other unhealthy lifestyles, obesity, and a lack of cancer detection and care would likely be other factors that would led to such high numbers. Another issue with certain cancers is that by the time it is seen visibily it may be too late for treatment leading to higher death rates.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:27 am to ragincajun03
These jobs are high paying for the most part. I have known quite a few people who have worked there over the years.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:33 am to LSUDUCKMAN67
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Can't wait to see what will happen after it will shut down...... Then they will be crying about no jobs!
Correct, then the residents get to sue Denka for the lost jobs and economic impact lost.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:36 am to Joe_Dirte
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was the school built before the plant? google earth shows the plant there in '85, but it doesn't appear the school was there. although it could've been and the building(s) were just smaller
Please, allow me to tell the story of another school in another city in another state. It goes well with your question.
An industry boom began in this city in the 1950s. The city is located along the Tennessee River and had an established rail system. It was the perfect location for industry to build, so it did. By the early 1960s many plants had built and now called the city home. Those plants, and the city, were in the need for waste (toxic and otherwise) disposal. The city had purchased land a few years before just a mile or so from the plants and agreed to create a dump and waste disposal site on part of the land. Then, the city entered into a contract with multiple plants to collect, manage, and dispose of their waste (toxic and otherwise). They proceeded to do just that, and it was a good arrangement between all concerned.
During this time the city continues to grow, both in population and footprint. Fast forward a couple decades or so to when the city had need for a new elementary school. By this time the dump had reached its capacity, leading to it being decommissioned and capped. The city just so happened to own more land immediately adjoining the the landfill/dump. Being that the city needed a new school in this area, and being that the city was cheap, it decided to use the land it already owned for the new school.
Now, the school itself is built on clean land, but some of the support stuff for the school (parking lots, playgrounds, etc.) were built pretty much on top of part of the decommissioned and capped dump. Another decade or two went by and some people caught wind of this poorly-kept secret and decided to cause a fuss over it (maybe rightfully so). Tests were carried out to see just what was under the feet of the school children. The results, obviously, weren't good. Lots of nasty stuff was found, hell......it was a dump designed to handle the disposal and management of hazardous/toxic waste from chemical plants. The city, of course, already knew this being that it had agreed to the terms of the contract and operated the dump for years and years. It doesn't matter, though, because the city attempted to shift all the blame to the plants, or at least the few that were still in operation (you likely know their names). The city claimed it had no idea such as that was thrown into that dump for decades. And today, the litigation still rolls on.
That's a not so short story of the frickery that modern plants deal with and how it is complicated when modern standards are retroactively applied to decisions made decades ago.
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 11:40 am
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:38 am to GrizzlyAlloy
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There are way too many St. James sheriffs compared to the population.
You got the wrong Parish boss.
And Marathon is either the newest or second newest refinery in the Country, it ain't getting shut down.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:46 am to Saintsisit
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saintsisit
Name checks out. Knows his saints.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:47 am to ragincajun03
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targeted discrimination that allegedly harmed Black residents more, instead of focusing only on intentional
Popeyes, you’re on deck.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:48 am to ragincajun03
That plant has always been a health hazard and has already been in a race against the EPA prior to the Biden administration.
The fact that they are STILL an issue all these years later is crazy.
The fact that they are STILL an issue all these years later is crazy.
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