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Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:06 pm to SPEEDY
Yes but did they factor in how many more people will move out of the state by then? Guaranteed to lessen traffic.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:08 pm to SPEEDY
I think they need to study a new bridge some more
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:10 pm to SPEEDY
when are they expected to close a lane or down to one lane on 10...not sure which one it will be. That will be misery.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:10 pm to SPEEDY
So after 5 years of extreme delays and traffic disruptions, you'll save 0.9 minutes on your 45 minute commute.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:11 pm to SPEEDY
Because the problem isn't so much intra-city traffic nor even intra-regional, it's the inter-regional traffic additions we take on. If they had put this much time and effort into a southern loop (with a bridge) allowing pass-through traffic to divert around Baton Rouge (and provide another crossing outside the current bottleneck), interstate traffic within Baton Rouge would likely become a lot more manageable.
Yet still they dicker with just trying to figure out where a new bridge might go.
Yet still they dicker with just trying to figure out where a new bridge might go.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:13 pm to SPEEDY
Going to gridlock 10 and BR even more than it is already for 5 (probably 7) years for an at best 18% reduction in travel time over a 5 mile stretch of interstate? 2 billion and 5 years for a minute and a half, if there isn’t a stalled car on the bridge.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:13 pm to adamau
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So after 5 years of extreme delays and traffic disruptions, you'll save 0.9 minutes on your 45 minute commute.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:14 pm to SPEEDY
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traffic times will improve 2%
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Best case scenario, an 18% reduction in travel time.
I think you may be misunderstanding what they mean by 2-18%. Based on the slide you posted, it doesn’t sound like they are saying 2-18% is the confidence interval.
It sounds like they’re saying the models show 2% when driving the opposite direction of the traffic at the least congested traffic peak and 18% when driving the same direction as the traffic at the most congested traffic peak.
So the combination of direction (east/west) and time of day (morning/afternoon) with the least improvement was 2% per the model, while the combination with the most improvement (I would assume eastbound afternoon rush hour but maybe it’s westbound) was 18%.
At some point you’re going to hit a cap on travel time improvement because the bottleneck moves elsewhere - either to the bridge itself or I-110 westbound, further down I-10 or I-12 eastbound, or the college drive clusterfrick either way (the flyover should help this westbound at least).
Regardless I think framing that as “they said traffic times will improve 2%” is at least a little disingenuous.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:16 pm to SPEEDY
Dirty little secret: Increasing lanes of traffic has very little affect on actual traffic.
Traffic engineers know this. Citizens demand more traffic lanes and politicians comply.
The things that decrease traffic are completely different routes and modes of transportation: Loops, bypasses, expressways, mass transit, etc.
Traffic engineers know this. Citizens demand more traffic lanes and politicians comply.
The things that decrease traffic are completely different routes and modes of transportation: Loops, bypasses, expressways, mass transit, etc.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:17 pm to lostinbr
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the bottleneck moves elsewhere - either to the bridge itself
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The things that decrease traffic are completely different routes and modes of transportation: Loops, bypasses, expressways, mass transit, etc.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:22 pm to udtiger
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ONLY ONE frickING BRIDGE
This.
Someone cursed that bridge. The 10 years I lived in Baton Rouge, I would have preferred traffic announcements when there WASN'T a vehicle on fire or an accident on the bridge.
It's unbelievable how many people can't drive in a straight line over that stretch without causing some sort of catastrophe.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:31 pm to SPEEDY
Why go to all this trouble for just one lane?
If they do it they should go ahead and add 3 or more new lanes to each side.
Also we need two ( 2 ) new lanes on I-12 ,each way from the split to the Mississippi border.
If they do it they should go ahead and add 3 or more new lanes to each side.
Also we need two ( 2 ) new lanes on I-12 ,each way from the split to the Mississippi border.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:33 pm to Bard
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Yet still they dicker with just trying to figure out where a new bridge might go.
This is a political issue. There’s no real funding for a new bridge. Politicians haven’t committed to funding it saying they need a “complete plan.” Well, a complete plan means the whole thing has to basically be permitted and engineered. But if you get the design work done too far in advance you risk it turning into a complete waste because you couldn’t secure right of way, and someone decided to build a plant in the middle of your route (see: 415 connector).
So what we are left with is this stupid fricking dance where DOTD has to create a bulletproof justification so that it can’t get shot down, have the bulk of the design work done, make sure the permitting is all but guaranteed, and read the political tea leaves so that they can time it just right to avoid having to start over. And they have to do this with all of the other major projects at the same time so that they can tell the politicians where the money is best spent. All of this while also dealing with the local interests / politics involved (NIMBYs and people looking for angles).
Everyone knows that these infrastructure problems will only get worse. Everyone knows that the pain involved with fixing the problems (both cost and inconvenience) will only get worse. Everyone knows there’s not enough highway money to actually fix the problems. But nobody wants to divert funding from elsewhere or raise the gas tax, so the politicians just bury their heads in the sand.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:39 pm to lostinbr
5 years will turn into 8-10 years.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:45 pm to SPEEDY
Basically, all the "improvements" will end up making traffic worse.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:49 pm to SPEEDY
This project was absolutely idiotic from the start. Your going to add lanes leading to a bridge that can't be expanded. fricking stupid.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:52 pm to SPEEDY
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This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 1:58 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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Airline Highway should be a straight-shot, no stoplight bypass from 190 to i12 that bypasses the city. A majority of our traffic comes from big trucks, and a majority of the big trucks go through our city only to continue on to i-12.
They tried this a few years ago with a proposed public/private partnership but the Metro Council shot it down because of tolls.
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