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re: Let's discuss Atheists views on the universe
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:22 pm to AbitaFan08
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:22 pm to AbitaFan08
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frick you! I'll kill you and everyone who is a non-believer!
-Most religions at some point during their existence
I mean, if any institution is invalidated because it had some bad practices in the past....
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:23 pm to hawgfaninc
Only idiots argue about this kind of shite. Because if you really think your opinion has any bearing on the beliefs of anyone that’s halfway intelligent...especially about something like the creation of the universe...you HAVE to be an idiot.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:26 pm to hawgfaninc
That picture is indicative of one difference I (an atheist) have with theists, particularly Christians: they have to have all the answers right now and if something can't be answered now it must be God.
Personally, I think it's okay to simply say, "I don't know." There are a lot of things we don't know and may never know. Early man didn't know what really caused thunder. Out of ignorance, they attributed it to deities before scientists caught up to it.
One thing we do know: Science uncovers new answers every single day. To date, there's not jack shite that is the indisputable work of a deity and there's no reason to think that will change. The history of science has taught us that using a deity to explain something that is currently not understood is ignorant. In all likelihood, those answers will come in the future.
Personally, I think it's okay to simply say, "I don't know." There are a lot of things we don't know and may never know. Early man didn't know what really caused thunder. Out of ignorance, they attributed it to deities before scientists caught up to it.
One thing we do know: Science uncovers new answers every single day. To date, there's not jack shite that is the indisputable work of a deity and there's no reason to think that will change. The history of science has taught us that using a deity to explain something that is currently not understood is ignorant. In all likelihood, those answers will come in the future.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:27 pm to Spankum
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exactly...it is odd that we have such a strong desire to convince (or force) others to "believe" as we do.
It's not really odd that religious people work to convince others. It's in most of their manuals. Maybe off-putting is the better word.
I do agree it's odd that many atheists work hard to convince believers otherwise.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:30 pm to Spankum
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So, the first time I saw him was at the annual city festival, at the end of the plaza, on, uh, “Punker Hill”, also known as “The Island of Misfits”. Um, It’s like a mound of black leather and army surplus jackets and boots and spiky egg-white hairdos and mohawks and second generation Exploited and Minor Threat and Sex Pistols patches and stuff. Basically a haven for the misunderstood punk-y, rock-y, goth-y, "woe is me" types And, uh, and there he was, right in the middle of it all. Um, oversized yellow foam-rubber cowboy hat, and, pink plastic Toys-R-Us pistols and holster. Off-white dashiki, uh, shirt, and tattered bell bottom jeans, leather feet, Raleigh cigarette finger stains. And he was an island within an island, and I just, kinda had to know more
So, I, uhh, I sat with him for hours just trying to get a bearing on his beautiful insanity. Every third inquiry was met with, you know, an eloquent but unusual response, and, you know, the subsequent exchange, it kinda warranted continuing the conversation, cause he was, he was interesting. Uh, ‘course the other, the other reason my efforts where dismissed, while he took in the constant flow of the festival crowd, all around us A raging river of multi cultural music, art, food, families, uh, all of this with his Walkman at full volume. I think it was Foreigner, playing through the headphones.
And I asked maybe, you know “Hey maybe you could turn that down, so we can talk?”, and he replied “Can you hear me”? and I said “Yes”, he said “Well, then it’s fine”.
He never really pretended, not once, to be able to organize all of this chaos that was going on around us. Uh, he just unapologetically chose which pieces to focus on Well, you know, after a few hours we seemed to have found our stride, found our rhythm, kinda settled into it, and we’re having these intermittent conversations, uh, flipping back and forth between the chaos and the focus. And then, just kinda out of no where, he seemed to become a little unsettled and disturbed. And I asked him what was wrong and he just blurted out “Peanut parents in syrup”, and then he looked at me like I would know what that means, and then he said, “You have any, do you have any batteries?”
So Basically his, his walkman was running out of power, and he just needed batteries, so before I could ever turn and ask one of our fellow punkers for some double-A’s, he grabbed my face with both hands, and then for the first time in the entire conversation, he, gave me his complete focus and attention, completely present, and calmly said
“We will never know world peace, until three people can simultaneously look each other straight in the eye.”
Should the oceans rise
Should the sky come falling down
Should the islands tremble beneath us
See our better nature blossom
Should the sun rain fire
Should Hell on Earth freeze over
And our inner beast wake hungry
See our better nature feed them
Should the sun rain fire
Should Hell on Earth freeze over
And our inner beast wake hungry
See our better nature feed and calm them
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:32 pm to hawgfaninc
I don't consider myself an Atheist because I like to think there is some type of higher power, but as for as the universe, I think there are parts of it that go beyond what we are capable of understanding. But when you are talking about Earth, I think it is the creation of gasses and other elements all coming together that created the perfect atmosphere for our solar system to come together and then Earth itself just happened to fall in place to create the perfect atmosphere for life to exist.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:42 pm to GRTiger
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I do agree it's odd that many atheists work hard to convince believers otherwise.
Do they though? Really?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:45 pm to GRTiger
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I do agree it's odd that many atheists work hard to convince believers otherwise.
Do they knock on your door?

Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:51 pm to hawgfaninc
Any person with a semi-functioning brain would realize this same stupid argument can be applied to "god."
We don't know how the universe came into being. Some of us are ok with not having the answers and don't have to pretend a magical father figure (who evidently created himself from nothing) made it all just for us.
We don't know how the universe came into being. Some of us are ok with not having the answers and don't have to pretend a magical father figure (who evidently created himself from nothing) made it all just for us.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:54 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Not that I know of. It's 2019, though, and atheists knock on my virtual door as much as theists do. Atheism seems to attract the more socially anxious crowd, so the internet is prime real estate. One side typically comes at you from a condescending "I'm better than you" angle, while the other comes from a condescending "you're an idiot" angle. Religious stuff is more emotional, atheists stuff is more humorous.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:58 pm to hawgfaninc
I'm Buddhist so I tend to like their explanation on where the universe came from
Why does it matter?
Why does it matter?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:02 pm to GRTiger
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Religious stuff is more emotional, atheists stuff is more humorous.
This thread is the exception though?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:04 pm to hawgfaninc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aF-fCwfWfo
One of the fundamentalist of science was motivated by a dream/mystical experience (nothing wrong with that)
Some just forget themselves as the ivy grows over their doors/wall...
https://physics.weber.edu/carroll/honors/descarte.htm
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Terence McKenna: The Philosophy of Rational Materialism
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One of the fundamentalist of science was motivated by a dream/mystical experience (nothing wrong with that)
Some just forget themselves as the ivy grows over their doors/wall...
https://physics.weber.edu/carroll/honors/descarte.htm
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DESCARTES' DREAM from Descartes' Dream, by Phillip J. Davis and Reuben Hirsh
THE MODERN WORLD, our world of triumphant rationality, began on November 10, 1619, with a revelation and a nightmare. On that day, in a room in the small Bavarian village of Ulm, Rene Descartes, a Frenchman, twenty-three years old, crawled into a wall stove and, when he was well warmed, had a vision. It was not a vision of God, or of the Mother of God, or of celestial chariots, or of the New Jerusalem. It was a vision of the unification of all science.
The vision was preceded by a state of intense concentration and agitation. Descartes overheated mind caught fire and provided answers to tremendous problems that had been taxing him for weeks. He was possessed by a Genius, and the answers were revealed in a dazzling, unendurable light. Later, in a state of exhaustion, he went to bed and dreamed three dreams that had been predicted by this Genius.
In the first dream he was revolved by a whirlwind and terrified by phantoms. He experienced a constant feeling of falling. He imagined he would be presented with a melon that came from a far-off land. The wind abated and he woke up. His second dream was one of thunderclaps and sparks flying around his room. In the third dream, all was quiet and contemplative. An anthology of poetry lay on the table. He opened it at random and read the verse of Ausonius, "Quod vitae sectabor iter" (What path shall I take in life?). A stranger appeared and quoted him the verse "Est et non" (Yes and no). Descartes wanted to show him where in the anthology it could be found, but the book disappeared and reappeared. He told the man he would show him a better verse beginning "Quod vitae sectabor iter." At this point the man, the book, and the whole dream dissolved. Descartes was so bewildered by all this that he began to pray. He assumed his dreams had a supernatural origin. He vowed he would put his life under the protection of the Blessed Virgin and go on a pilgrimage from Venice to Notre Dame de Lorette, traveling by foot and wearing the humblest-looking clothes he could find.
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Science is saying give us one free miracle and we'll explain the rest
Terrance McKenna
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:12 pm to Globetrotter747
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:18 pm to GRTiger
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 11:00 am to Jim Rockford
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Vishnu seems like a cool bro.
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