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re: "Leaky" vaccines= worsening viruses
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:23 am to Lestradamus
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:23 am to Lestradamus
quote:No
Not a medical professional, but would significant replication and transmission of vaccinated individuals to others give the virus more of an opportunity to mutate into something that avoids current antibodies? The virus gets to replicate and “train” inside of vaccinated individuals.
The virus doesnt have a brain, it doesnt think or care. Variants simply happen when replication fricks up.
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:25 am to RyanMartin835
Then why are the vast majority of the hospitalized and the dying unvaccinated?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:25 am to Lestradamus
quote:Explain what you mean by “train”?
The virus gets to replicate and “train” inside of vaccinated individuals.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:26 am to WDE24
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Explain what you mean by “train”?
:insertRockyIVmontage:
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:27 am to Salmon
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Our data do not demonstrate that vaccination was responsible for the evolution of hyperpathogenic strains of MDV
But then they say this:
quote:
Vaccine failure in the face of virulent pathogens has been documented for at least two viruses other than MDV: feline calicivirus [43] and infectious bursal disease virus in poultry [44]. Both cases are also associated with long-term use of leaky anti-disease vaccines
Sounds like leaky vaccines creating more virulent pathogens has already been proven.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:27 am to lsupride87
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The virus doesnt have a brain, it doesnt think or care. Variants simply happen when replication fricks up.
Replication occurs in vaccinated individuals. shite ton of people get the shot but still contract Covid. Replication has more of an opportunity to frick up to a strain that avoids antibodies.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:28 am to RyanMartin835
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putting those who are unvaccinated at greater risk of severe illness.
I respect your choice and decision not to be vaccinated and will fight like hell right along with you to prevent the mandates....you should respect the fact that I don't give a shite if you get a more severe illness because of that choice.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:28 am to Lestradamus
Quick question as to whether I should pay attention to one thing you're saying. Do you have a medical degree with experience in the field?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:29 am to Lestradamus
quote:Replication occurs less in vaccinated individuals, therefore the vaccine is lessening replication which is lessoning variants. It is that simple
Replication occurs in vaccinated individuals. shite ton of people get the shot but still contract Covid. Replication has more of an opportunity to frick up to a strain that avoids antibodies.
If something helps prevent replication, even a small amount, it helps in preventing mutations
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:30 am to Salmon
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oh I know
if anything, this study is more pro vaccine than anti vaccine, as their own conclusion is to have 100% vaccinated populations
And to cull the ones that don't get it
Let's roll
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:30 am to Robin Masters
quote:You dont understand what they are saying
Sounds like leaky vaccines creating more virulent pathogens has already been proven.
They are saying "the vaccine worked to not let the vaccinated individual die, so since the individual didnt die, they were able to give it to someone not vaccinated who then died"
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:31 am to Strannix
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Prepare to listen to the lamentations of the jabbers
They'll be drowned out by the lamentations of the anti-jabbers.
Both groups are nauseating asshats.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:32 am to lsupride87
It seems like there is this idea that viruses learn and mutate to specifically avoid antibodies. Is that what people are claiming or am I missing something?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:33 am to Robin Masters
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Sounds like leaky vaccines creating more virulent pathogens has already been proven.
Vaccines can keep the host alive long enough to spread to non vaccinated individuals in highly deadly viruses.
That is what this study suggests, but does not prove, due to the possibility of multiple other variables.
Considering that COVID does not kill its hosts at the lethality of any of the viruses studied or even suggested in this study, can you explain to me the concern here?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:33 am to Snipe
quote:As are the wannabe "experts" who read shite online and deem themselves to have it all figured out.
They'll be drowned out by the lamentations of the anti-jabbers.
Both groups are nauseating asshats.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:33 am to WDE24
quote:You have it correct. People seem to think viruses replicate to avoid antibodies, instead of understanding replication is 100% random
It seems like there is this idea that viruses learn and mutate to specifically avoid antibodies. Is that what people are claiming or am I missing something?
Its the same fallacy as "viruses always mutate less deadly"
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:36 am to Lestradamus
quote:Then what difference does it make if the person was vaccinated or not before contracting it?
Replication occurs in vaccinated individuals. shite ton of people get the shot but still contract Covid. Replication has more of an opportunity to frick up to a strain that avoids antibodies.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:37 am to lsupride87
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They are saying "the vaccine worked to not let the vaccinated individual die, so since the individual didnt die, they were able to give it to someone not vaccinated who then died"
Umm. No. “Vaccine failure” means the vaccine failed to prevent the vaccinated.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:38 am to Korkstand
All I want to know right now is -- does an unvaccinated person transmit the virus "easier" than a vaccinated person?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:38 am to Lestradamus
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Replication has more of an opportunity to frick up to a strain that avoids antibodies.
Mutations are random. This can (and will happen) whether vaccinations were around, as seen with Delta and Lambda.
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