re: Latoya gives a big FU to Lakeview residents

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I'm kind of torn. Cantrell sucks, a lot, but the city also has to learn to live with water and quit relying so much on pipes and pumps. Those systems are what got Lakeview into it's current predicament. The more you pump, the more you drain the groundwater, the more you sink, the more it fricks up the pipes, the more you flood, rinse and repeat.

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wut

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At some point you could begin to say that about America. It's not as simple for people who are invested here in a number of ways to just get up and move on

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In America, there are many options to move somewhere that better suits you or does a better job of functioning.
Even many relatively down on their luck African Americans have gotten their butts out of Orleans and into the surrounding parishes.

New Orleans' trajectory is bleak. It WILL NOT get better in the foreseeable future. No one who stays there can whine or bitch at this point. Anyone capable of thought can see that it is getting worse and will continue to do so.

If you stay in Orleans Parish, it is a conscious decision to remain on a sinking ship. There is no one else to blame but the person in the mirror.

And with the current economy and housing market issues, the lifeboats are running out of room quickly.

Greasy Skank

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Old money Uptown barely exists anymore. As the map shows, they don't make up more than 50% of any precinct Uptown. Most have moved to the Northshore, are in retirement homes or dead.

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Old money uptown people would literally rather die than live on the northshore This is not happening.

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Most of the white generation X and millennials Uptown are liberal Carpetbaggers who couldn't get jobs in New England or California.

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This is mostly true. People from the northeast or west that moved here to go to Loyola or Tulane and have stayed.

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Most but not all of the middle class white locals who live there are degenerates.

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This is dumb. There really isn't that much of a middle class uptown. Those that are "middle class" bought property uptown a long time ago and have stayed. They're not degenerates :lol:

I love that Bottomland is getting downvoted for his post and has more knowledge on the exact subject than any posters combined.

Says a lot about why the city is fricked on this.

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Trust me, I know a lot about New Orleans drainage.

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Then you do know that the water table in Lakeview is @ 2-3 ft, right?

And you also know that the pumps only kick on when the water rises in the canals and is pumped out, they do not continuously run.

You do realize that Lakeview is mostly reclaimed lake bottom with unstable bedding at the foundation.

Sounds like Latoya has plans for using this money somewhere else.

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Lakeview is mostly reclaimed lake bottom with unstable bedding at the foundation

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My grandma used to crawfish that area as a kid. LOL. She has some good stories.

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And you also know that the pumps only kick on when the water rises in the canals and is pumped out, they do not continuously run.

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Pre-development, Lakeview sat mostly at sea level. Some spots just above. Some spots just below. It was a mix of swamp and marsh with some live oak/pine mounds sprinkled about. The city needed to expand. Well, they can't expand into the swamp. What did they do? They drained it. Easy enough. Dig some ditches. Build some pumps. Boom. A suburb.

After a while, people got tired of dying from Yellow Fever. We also needed harder roads to move horse-less carriages. We paved the roads funneled all of the sotrmwater into pipes. In those days, the pipes took the water to canals which took the water to pumps which took the water more canals that flowed into the lake (this has changed Post-Katrina. We now have the big outfall canal pumps as an extra step in there).

As the upper layers of soil started drying out from a lack of water, the organic material in that soil started to break down. As the soil broke down, the land started to sink. Unfortunately, it didn't sink in a uniform manner, thus the pipes underground started to break. Now you had pipes with cracks that not only drained the streets, but it also allowed groundwater to seep into the stormwater conveyance system. Subsidence accelerated.

That brings us to today. The city's stormwater infrastructure acts as a massive system of pervious pipes that drain groundwater towards the neighborhood pump stations. Those little pump house have large sumps underneath them, and even if it doesn't rain, the pumps will kick on every so often to pump out all of the groundwater that has accumulated in there. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've been in those sumps. I fricking hate snakes and those sumps are full of snakes.

So yeah, you're correct in that the pumps don't run continuously, but they do run a lot, and often without any rain having fallen.

Fun fact about Lakeview. Really more about Gentilly and the East, but Lakeview has it, too. There is an ancient barrier island under the surface. It's perfect beach sand, and water infiltrates great into it. It's not near the surface in a lot of places, but where it is close, you can use it to your advantage and "dispose" of a lot of stormwater into it. If you want to see evidence of the island, you can go here. The sides of this canal like to blow out because the sand is so close to the surface.