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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:41 pm to
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:41 pm to
Did complaints by people from the pol board really screw this up? Isn't it enough that they have six surfaces on Political Talk to cover with feces?

Why can't there be a single thread outside of that madhouse given that we're talking about the most important military conflict in the world?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:45 pm to
This thread and the poliboard thread are just opposite sides of the same coin. Everyone here is a Ukrainian cheerleader and everyone over on the PB is a Russian cheerleader. Frankly both threads suck balls because neither has a middle ground. No one is looking at things objectively.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:46 pm to
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I wish good luck and good hunting to your roommate


I got him addicted to LSU football in medical school. He used to post here but I have not seen him posting anything since LSU started sucking arse. Last time I saw him post was during the LSU-MSU game in 2020.

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I’m sorry to hear about your friend.



I was sorry to hear about it too. I only knew her for two nights but she was the hottest female I have ever hooked up (except for my wonderful and sexy current GF of course). IRL 9.7 and an OT 8.5.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:47 pm to
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I’ll be a team player.


Downvote, think for yourself. I don't want to be on any team that would have me in it.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:49 pm to
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My fear is Ukraine running out of fighting aged men.


They have 500,000 in training and approximately MAMs in the country. Plus Ukraine isn't afraid to put women in combat.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:57 pm to
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No one is looking at things objectively.


Well that's true. But so far as I am aware Ukrainians haven't been killing their neighbors in Syria, Chechnya, and Georgia.

Ukraine isn't a utopia but they aren't run by a former KGB spook. I also really doubt there are many real liberals or progressives in this thread. The typical person here seems to think Biden is a Bozo but the threat of Putin is more of the point right now.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:59 pm to
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I requested too, not because I really give a shite but I’ll be a team player.


just need more with this ability to disagree, move on, and continue to contribute.

FWIW I appreciated your perspective on difficulty of what’s being done by the Ukrainians. It’s easy for most of us, myself included, to read this thread or see a video on Twitter and it seem easy because we’ve not served as some of you guys have/are. Good to have a reminder from time to time.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:00 pm to
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Well that's true. But so far as I am aware Ukrainians haven't been killing their neighbors in Syria, Chechnya, and Georgia. Ukraine isn't a utopia but they aren't run by a former KGB spook. I also really doubt there are many real liberals or progressives in this thread. The typical person here seems to think Biden is a Bozo but the threat of Putin is more of the point right now.


Sure. I’ve been rooting for Ukraine this entire war. But my rooting is more rooted in the natural underdog aspect of the war and the fact that I was raised to think killing those red bastards from Moscow was awesome. I hold no love real love or hatred for either country. I’m interested in the war because it’s a major geopolitical event and is worth studying. That’s why I just want un biased reporting on it.
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:05 pm to
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This thread and the poliboard thread are just opposite sides of the same coin. Everyone here is a Ukrainian cheerleader and everyone over on the PB is a Russian cheerleader.


Eh, I prefer to cheer for the country that was unilaterally invaded by a dictator.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:10 pm to
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I’m interested in the war because it’s a major geopolitical event and is worth studying. That’s why I just want un biased reporting on it.


Ditto. Some of us ARE trying to look at things rationally. That just happens to be somewhere between these two threads on TD. There are some rational people in each thread, and then there are the loons who think their interpretation of events is the only possible truth.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:22 pm to
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That will probably make things a lot more difficult for the Ukrainians. It’s nice when your drones just have to scan roads looking for bunched up targets. Scanning thousands of square miles of fields and forests looking for tanks is a whole new ball game no matter how good your equipment is.

The Russians being stuck to roads was an advantage for Ukraine because they could focus their technically superior combat power at small choke points as opposed to vast fronts. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.


I've seen plenty of Russian columns driving into road ambushes when there was available ground to maneuver on. I'm thinking moving cross country in tactical formation is another one of those skills the Russian army neglects to train for.
Posted by VAvolfan
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:23 pm to
RA’d for sticky
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:28 pm to
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I've seen plenty of Russian columns driving into road ambushes when there was available ground to maneuver on. I'm thinking moving cross country in tactical formation is another one of those skills the Russian army neglects to train for.


You’re not exactly wrong. The Russian army is absolute shite according to what we’ve seen. But if every engagement ended with 20 dead Russian tanks on the road then the Russians would have never taken a single piece of ground but they clearly have. So for every ambush video you see on Twitter there’s another where Russian armor overruns Ukrainian defenders.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:13 pm to
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Eh, I prefer to cheer for the country that was unilaterally invaded by a dictator.


Congrats I guess?

Nobody gives a frick who you’re rooting for. I’m fact it’s the height hubris to think people care. Root for whoever you want to man, I don’t come to this thread to hear that you like Ukraine over Ukraine. I give a shite about that about as much as I give a shite that you’re a Bama fan.
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:30 pm to
Go frick yourself you sanctimonious prick.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:32 pm to
So sensitive. Grow up dude
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:43 pm to
Cent’s response quite clearly has little to do with who he is rooting for. It was a response to your two sides of the same coin/moral equivalency post.

Foreign affairs are inherently gray. This incident is about as close to black and white as they come. Russia is leveling the cities of a functioning western democracy, at this point just to save face. Russia emerges from this invasion weaker in every scenario that may play out so continuing this engagement is wanton blood letting. Fraternal blood letting at that.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:46 pm to
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But if every engagement ended with 20 dead Russian tanks on the road then the Russians would have never taken a single piece of ground but they clearly have.



True, but they've utterly failed at their objectives of taking Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa, and winning a quick victory. By any objective viewpoint the war is going very badly for Russia. You don't have to look at the videos, look at the terrain and calendar.

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So for every ambush video you see on Twitter there’s another where Russian armor overruns Ukrainian defenders.


No doubt the Russians have won a few. But given the utter failure of most significant major Russian objectives it's hardly been an even battlefield.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 6:52 pm to
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True, but they've utterly failed at their objectives of taking Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa, and winning a quick victory. By any objective viewpoint the war is going very badly for Russia. You don't have to look at the videos, look at the terrain and calendar.


I’ll admit that for the first few weeks of this war I thought it was complete bullshite that the Ukrainians had a chance. I challenge you to find a post of mine that said it he Russians were winning or even doing well since then. And I also challenge you to find any post of my that is pro Russian. It doesn’t exist. I live in a reality where I never underestimate opponents or overestimate myself or friends.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 8:06 pm to
Current Situation according to ISW: "Russian forces have likely abandoned the objective of completing a large-scale encirclement of Ukrainian units from Donetsk City to Izyum in favor of completing the seizure of Luhansk Oblast. Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai said that the Russian military command likely understands that it will not be able to seize Donetsk Oblast but believes that it has the capacity to reach the administrative borders of Luhansk Oblast.[1] His observations are generally consistent with our analysis. The Russian military command will likely prioritize the Battle of Severodonetsk going forward, with some efforts dedicated to disrupting Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in eastern Donetsk Oblast. Russian forces are continuing a coordinated effort to seize Severodonetsk from the north and the south, which would result in a shallower encirclement of Ukrainian troops than originally expected. The failed Russian attempts to cross the Siverskyi Donets River near Kreminna may shift Russian encirclement operations further east, closer to Severodonetsk via Rubizhne, rather than conducting a wider encirclement along multiple axes. Russian forces have also likely been scaling down advances to Slovyansk from Izyum, possibly due to the slow pace of the offensive operation there.

Russian forces have likely run out of combat-ready reservists, forcing the Russian military command to amalgamate soldiers from many different elements, including private military companies and proxy militias, into ostensibly regular army units and naval infantry. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that approximately 2,500 Russian reservists are training in Belgorod, Voronezh, and Rostov oblasts to reinforce Russian offensive operations in Ukraine. That number of reservists is unlikely to generate enough force to replenish Russian units that have reportedly lost up to 20 percent of staffing in some areas—to say nothing of the battalion tactical group that was largely destroyed recently while attempting to cross the Siverskyi Donets River.[2] The Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate stated that Russian forces are conducting covert mobilization and creating new units with newly mobilized personnel who likely have insufficient training to be effective and little motivation to fight.[3] Russian forces also deployed new conscripts from occupied settlements in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts to maintain an offensive around Kharkiv City, likely due to the lack of Russian reserves.[4]

Russian private military companies are reportedly forming combined units with airborne elements due to significant losses in manpower.[5] Denaturing elite airborne units with mercenaries is shocking, and would be the clearest indication yet that Russia has exhausted its available combat-ready manpower reserves. The Russian 810th Guards Naval Infantry Brigade is reportedly receiving personnel from other Black Sea Fleet units, including navy ship crewmembers.[6] Newly formed or regrouped units are unlikely to be effective in combat."

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-15
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