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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:14 pm to
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:14 pm to
You don’t know what Yle is and that’s ok. It’s the Finnish CNN.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:14 pm to
Thats what I thought
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:15 pm to
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You don’t know what Yle is and that’s ok. It’s the Finnish CNN.
Where are your numbers from?
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

60 per cent of Finns support Finland’s NATO membership and 19 per cent oppose it. The proportion of those in favour of membership has increased by 34 percentage points from last autumn.


NATO membership is more favored in Finland than Biden is in the US. To add to that, an American president hasn’t left office with an approval higher than 60% since Clinton. Safe assumption the Fins are decently in agreement they want in NATO.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:19 pm to
Long read.

Ukraine’s 'iron general' is a hero, but he's no star

Meet Valeriy Zaluzhnyy, the commander in chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who's quietly leading the fight against Russia's invaders.

In many ways Zaluzhnyy epitomizes a new generation of Ukrainian officers who cut their teeth in the grinding eight-year war in Donbas and, when not on the front, deployed to training ranges across Europe to drill with NATO forces — experiences that have sanded off many of the authoritarian edges produced by decades of rigid Soviet military training.

That collaboration with NATO has molded a group of professional-minded officers that aspired to Western standards and helped build a decentralized, empowered, more agile way of warfare than the Russian model, which has floundered in the Ukrainian mud.


Politico LINK
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:20 pm to
If you want to tout a poll of 1,200 participants in a country of 6,000,000 that was conducted by their CNN equivalent, go right ahead. I won’t stop you. Finland would be forced to break many long standing agreements with Russia. I know you think these things are as simple as just submitting an application to NATO, but that’s not how it works.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:22 pm to
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Finland would be forced to break many long standing agreements with Russia


Judging by the current situation I don't think Russia cares much about long standing agreements

ETA: Russia also pivoted hard on this from "serious military and political consquences" to just reassess their defensive posture in the area
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 5:24 pm
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:22 pm to
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Ukraine would have its assh0le blown off if it wasn't a proxy for the West.
But it is, Blanche, it is.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:24 pm to
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If you want to tout a poll of 1,200 participants in a country of 6,000,000 that was conducted by their CNN equivalent, go right ahead. I won’t stop you
I am more than willing to consider any other polling that suggests otherwise if you can show me any
quote:

Finland would be forced to break many long standing agreements with Russia. I know you think these things are as simple as just submitting an application to NATO, but that’s not how it works.
nobody thinks they are joining tomorrow
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:26 pm to
Politico Europe
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:27 pm to
In practice, Nazi attitudes toward Slavs were fungible and situational. Their treatment of Poles, Ukrainians and Russians is well known. At the same time, they made free use of Slavic auxiliaries, and were allies with Slavic and semi Slavic countries like Bulgaria and Romania. Most paradoxically they ruthlessly suppressed the Serbs while treating the ethnically identical Croats favorably.
Posted by Vito Andolini
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

That collaboration with NATO has molded a group of professional-minded officers that aspired to Western standards and helped build a decentralized, empowered, more agile way of warfare than the Russian model, which has floundered in the Ukrainian mud.


Interesting, and while the US used to have a very good military, now with CRT, transgenders and women in the infantry, I don't think we are nearly what we were 20 years ago.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:29 pm to
quote:

and while the US used to have a very good military, now with CRT, transgenders and women in the infantry, I don't think we are nearly what we were 20 years ago.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:31 pm to
Military leadership and operational readiness is at an all time low, but man for man, no one comes close to matching us.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5075 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:36 pm to
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This is in East Ukraine.

I mean you can't be this stupid right?
The Oryol region is in Russia....


Maybe he knows how it will end up.
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:45 pm to
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Interesting, and while the US used to have a very good military, now with CRT, transgenders and women in the infantry, I don't think we are nearly what we were 20 years ago.


First ever female pilots just wrecked a 150 million F-35 trying to land it on an aircraft carrier.

Equality!

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AFTER:




Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46635 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:49 pm to
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First ever female pilots just wrecked a 150 million F-35 trying to land it on an aircraft carrier.


How long did you serve, and in what branch?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:49 pm to
You’ll never see me be one to support women in the military but there have been female combat pilots around since like 92 bro.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46635 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:53 pm to
You're talking to the moron who thought Russia got kicked out of the EU first, then quickly tried to cover his tracks by saying the UN instead.

No surprise that whatever propaganda site he's been regurgitating would say that was the first female pilot.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105852 posts
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:54 pm to
Well, it may have been a female pilot, IDK. But since it was a Navy plane and she's in the Air Force, it wasn't this female pilot. It's lack of attention to small details that gets you GRU guys caught.

Crazy how misogynistic Russia has gotten when it comes to this stuff. The Soviets were putting women in direct combat roles 50 years before anybody else was. The Night Witches would be very disappointed.
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