re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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I would never claim the US doesnt have plenty of dirty laundry as well Dont even bring that up, just look athe drone strikes we do around the world without any repercussions.

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Then maybe we shouldn’t be clutching our pearls like we’re a bunch of women.

And if we’re capable of doing the exact same thing and lying about it on the world stage, it’s possible that the western media is still lying, or at the very least conducting a propaganda campaign if their own in support of Ukraine. Burying anything that puts Ukraine in a bad light and highlighting things that put Russia in a bad light. And I don’t mean only in terms of war crimes. I mean you really have to dig to find any information on Ukrainian military losses but every civilian that gets killed gets plastered all over the tv and internet 24/7. Conversely every Russian tank that gets blown up gets a ton of coverage. We’re absolutely getting one sided news here in the west. All I’ve done in this thread is ask that we question all of it, western and Russian media.

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My only loyalty is to destroy media lies. I loathe the media. The only thing more frustrating than media lies is the useful idiots that become preachers of their own deceit, spreading their lies acting like they are somehow informed because they soak up every lie the media pushes, which is to protect the US government’s own asses. You can find articles right here in the US several years ago denouncing Azov, including the NYT. The state department and CIA funded them for many years to overthrow Ukraine

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I have very rarely seen main stream media being sourced in this thread. Even if it were, the events unfolding are big enough that there can be an ounce of trust in MSM in between the obvious biased bickering. Scott Alexander has a good blog entry on handling news bias (Note: His bias is liberal, but he tends to be a rationalist).

Astral Codex Ten "Bounded Distrust"

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Because they don’t like Putin and are rooting for Ukraine

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That doesn't mean they're skewing the information because of it.

What I'm getting at is the media does nothing without a profit motive. There's no profit motive for skewing the news coming out of Ukraine. People will watch or not watch regardless.

It's not like domestic news.

ETA: Let me clarify. While there may be bias from western reporting, it's not purposeful like it is coming from Russia. Russia has a vested interest in skewing the news as much as possible. Our media does not.

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I mean you really have to dig to find any information on Ukrainian military losses

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True

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but every civilian that gets killed gets plastered all over the tv and internet 24/7. Conversely every Russian tank that gets blown up gets a ton of coverage.

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I mean, Russia is the invading force, so I don't think we will be seeing very many Russian civilian deaths. Also, considering the Russians are using walkie talkies to communicate, I doubt we see much coverage of Russians destroying a bunch of Ukrainian military objectives. You can find it though, I've seen plenty on r/combatfootage. Not nearly as much as the Ukrainian side, but again, I would think that is simply due to the technology each side has available to them.

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We’re absolutely getting one sided news here in the west. All I’ve done in this thread is ask that we question all of it, western and Russian media.

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We are getting one sided news because the Russians don't exactly have much news to share. They are free to send that information out to everyone if they have it.

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I haven't paid attention to this conflict but have seen glances at what the western media narrative is and it's obvious that Putin and his Western adversaries are playing a different game than is being sold to the public.

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What game are they playing?

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What motivation does western media have to skew the information?

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Far less than the Russian media/government has to skew info.

If anything, the US/Biden Admin is dragging its feet on direct aid to Ukraine since this conflict started 6 weeks ago.

I’m certainly not saying we shouldn’t view what we see with a healthy skepticism… but this blanket disbelief doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

So you admit you have no idea what’s going on?

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He’s probably the best player out of the world power leaders

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Lol

Yes and neither does anybody on this website

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He’s probably the best player out of the world power leaders

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Xi is probably coming across the best for now for individual World Leaders. Loosely supporting a traditional ally but staying enough on the fence to commit to whichever team wins in the end.

For the USA, the US State Department as a group/team is more influential than Biden for the US role in this thing.

Well we aren't last at least. The Euros look like absolute fools right now. It's pretty wild that the things people have been predicting the last few years about currency and commodity wars that were supposed to play out over decades are happening right before our eyes.