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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:51 am to dallastigers
Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:51 am to dallastigers
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This thread is becoming its own echo chamber. Majority of echos have always been negative about political board due to their own politics and a few even complain the OT was pushing politics like the political board too much
The proof of this is the number of upvotes or downvotes one gets. Downvotes means you've challenged the OT orthodoxy and indeed there is group think, or one has said something stupid. It's the same on the PT. If you have a mix of UV and DV then you probably have a good point being entertained. Many upvotes = echo chamber/groupthink.
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:52 am to TexasForever
Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:52 am to xxTIMMYxx
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My only loyalty is to destroy media lies. I loathe the media. The only thing more frustrating than media lies is the useful idiots that become preachers of their own deceit, spreading their lies acting like they are somehow informed because they soak up every lie the media pushes
And yet here you are doing the same thing with Russian propaganda.
It's not a fricking war crime to have AA emplacements when the entire point is defend those apartment complexes from aerial attack.
Is it a war crime when we have patriot batteries and other air defense systems stationed in Washington DC?
Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:55 am to Centinel
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It's not a fricking war crime to have AA emplacements when the entire point is defend those apartment complexes from aerial attack.
It’s not a war crime to have military assets in residential areas. That’s ridiculous. If there are military vehicles or anti aircraft units near hospitals or places of worship that would make those buildings legitimate targets.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:57 am to dallastigers
Dude you are doing some major mental gymnastics to try and defend the political board. It’s not even up for debate that the PT is overran with conspiracy theorists and radicals. There is almost never a time that 1/3 to 1/2 of the topics on the first page aren’t straight conspiracy theory lunacy or some extremist talking point. It’s obvious you fill attacked by the comments about the PT board because you agree with their points of view even if you won’t come out and admit it openly. There is zero objective and useful dialog taken place over there and it ha been that way for years now. There is really no nuance to this situation, they are that far gone. As a conservative it is depressing and embarrassing to think I share core beliefs with people like that.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:58 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Downvotes means you've challenged the OT orthodoxy and indeed there is group think
Or maybe the information being posted is fricking bullshite, and it's blatant that it is.
As I said earlier, the majority of my posts are from the poliboard. Biden is a potato, and I hate progressives with an unholy passion.
But you have people in this very thread screaming about how if you believe anything the MSM is reporting you're just a Ukrainian stooge, spreading Ukrainian propaganda...all the while spreading blatant Russian propaganda as "proof" of the grand conspiracy.
Ockham's Razor. Some people here, and a good chunk of the poliboard, really need to apply it.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 7:58 am to GeauxxxTigers23
This thread has turned into nothing more than a pissing match between the OT and PT. The OT believes everything they hear from Western media and the PT believes everything they hear that is anti-Russia/pro-Ukraine. Reality is that both sides are pushing massive amounts of propaganda and no one should be taken at face value.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:00 am to Centinel
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Or maybe the information being posted is fricking bullshite, and it's blatant that it is.
That's the said something stupid thing I mentioned. I make stupid posts from time to time so I understand.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:03 am to GeauxxxTigers23
No the OT takes information and looks at it and tries to decipher good info from bad. The PT screams at anybody bringing info they don’t agree with. One is a place of legitimate dialogue the other is an echo chamber of extremist who are so far gone it’s laughable. Any attempt to conflate the two is a clear example of a false equivalency.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 8:04 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:03 am to OGtigerfan87
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There is zero objective and useful dialog taken place over there and it ha been thy way for years now. There is really no nuance to this situation, they are that far gone. As a conservative it is depressing and embarrassing to think I share core beliefs with people like that.
I still get useful news off the OT. And there are posters here who seem to have a good knowledge of the real and fake news out there. I come here before going to any 24/7 on TV.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:04 am to aTmTexas Dillo
The OT yes, the PT no
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:05 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Those reports are backed up by hundreds more, thousands really. I just ignore it because of my weird and misguided attempts to treat Russians as some heroes, when they carry out some of the worst atrocities on the planet. It’s pathetic. How can I defend these aholes is beyond me. They are terrible, radicalized people that have no problem killing Ukrainians that they don’t like or any people trying to escape the country. They are Russians after all. They have no problem using mercenaries as cannon fodder to protect themselves. This has been documented by many international sources
FIFY
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:06 am to OGtigerfan87
Nah man, it’s two sides of the same coin.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:11 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Lol they are being invaded and bombarded from an outside force. They are simply defending their territory they can put forces wherever they need to. This isn’t Palestinians attacking Israel then hiding amongst schools and hospitals. This is Ukraine simply defending their cities that have been invaded with zero provocation. They aren’t the aggressors they are simply defending. To call it a War crime is laughable.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 8:12 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:13 am to OGtigerfan87
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To call it a War crime is laughable.
Not sure why you’re upset with me. Take it up with Geneva man. I didn’t write the rules.
I personally don’t give a frick if Ukraine mounts anti aircraft batteries and puts Javelin missiles in every window of the maternity ward for the blind that is run by Mother Theresa, but if they do then it’s not a war crime to bomb it.
In reality of course no one would ever bring them to The Hague for that and that’s fine by me. But let’s not pretend that Ukraine is playing by the rules either.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:15 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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To call it a War crime is laughable.
Not sure why you’re upset with me. Take it up with Geneva man. I didn’t write the rules.
I think they were referring to the "war crime" of Ukraine putting anti aircraft guns in a city
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:19 am to StormyMcMan
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I think they were referring to the "war crime" of Ukraine putting anti aircraft guns in a city
I was very specific in the post he replied when I said that putting anti aircraft batteries in residential areas is not a war crime but that placing military units near hospitals or churches or schools makes those buildings legitimate military targets.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:25 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I was very specific in the post he replied when I said that putting anti aircraft batteries in residential areas is not a war crime but that placing military units near hospitals or churches or schools makes those buildings legitimate military targets.
I'm not sure how one can argue any populated civilian area is a "legitimate military target" for an unjustified invasion force regardless of there being military assets there to defend it or they are just guessing there is.
As defenders of their own country, it's hard to defend civilian areas if you cant put ANY military assets there to defend it, rather just watch it get shelled, bombed. struck by cruise missiles and occupied anyways. It's not like the Russians really care either way and that's well documented.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 8:27 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:27 am to thunderbird1100
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I'm not sure how one can argue any populated civilian area is a "legitimate military target" for an unjustified invasion force regardless of there being military assets there to defend it or they are just guessing there is. As defenders of their own country, it's hard to defend civilian areas if you cant put ANY military assets there to defend it, rather just watch it get shelled, bombed and struck by cruise missiles anyways. It's not like the Russians really care either way and that's well documented.
I’m not sure why you’re arguing with me since we agree
Except of course the legitimate military target part. We invaded Iraq in 2003 without justification and we bombed the shite out of residential areas and blew up plenty of hospitals and mosques and schools. Apparently the US military is no different from the Russian military
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 8:29 am
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:28 am to dallastigers
quote:I would think extremists don't recognize their own brand as extreme.
have tried to go see what’s going on only to not find things as extreme as stated
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