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Posted on 4/4/22 at 12:58 pm to lsu777
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correct. russia uses the term nazi to anyone that beleives that ukraine should be an independent country
The second part of this is that generic term "Nazi" is more friendly to Ukranians than the term "Soviet" - which ought to tell you something.
Basically, Ukraine was a better place under Nazi occupation than it was as part of the USSR.
Even if some Ukranians are sympathetic to the term Nazi, I don't think there were signs that they were going to start building camps.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:02 pm to BRIllini07
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Basically, Ukraine was a better place under Nazi occupation than it was as part of the USSR.
incredibly low bar since they were being starved to death prior the Germans invading
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:03 pm to BBONDS25
Shooting Russian prisoners in the legs seems so much more reasonable today. I don’t think I’d be taking prisoners at all if I was Ukrainian.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:03 pm to BRIllini07
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Basically, Ukraine was a better place under Nazi occupation than it was as part of the USSR*.
*unless you were Jewish or a socialist.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:04 pm to LSUCanFAN
I find Hungary's position interesting as well. Urban has been far less reluctant to help Ukraine in any way.
If Russia does try to invade Poland and the Baltics I wonder how'd they react.
If Russia does try to invade Poland and the Baltics I wonder how'd they react.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:24 pm to LSUCanFAN
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’m sure you’ve stopped to consider this before but how different are Poland and Hungary? Both hated the soviets you can feel it radiating off them but Poland is ready and willing to start fighting and Hungary just re-elected Putins pal? I know I know voting irregularities blah blah blah but just weird. Magyars have a bit of that authoritarian craving in spite of their protestations to the contrary…
Maybe the Hungarians profit from changing the oil in all those Russian tanks?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:38 pm to Centinel
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Well the good news is we have over a Division of US Military sitting in the one country that wants to smash Russia back to the stone age.
We're not just there to stop Russia from advancing on NATO, we're there to hold Poland back.
Russia skates by when it comes to WWII. They were invading Poland through the back door just two and a half weeks after Germany kicked in the front door. They murdered hundreds of Polish officers and later watched as they let German forces quell the Warsaw rebellion.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:48 pm to BRIllini07
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Even if some Ukranians are sympathetic to the term Nazi, I don't think there were signs that they were going to start building camps.
The article freely admits that "Nazi," as the term is used by Russia in connection with Ukraine, has nothing to do with the 20th Century parlance:
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However, all of the above does not make Ukrainian Nazism a "light version" of German Nazism during the first half of the 20th century. On the contrary, since Ukrainian Nazism is free from such "genre" (essentially political technology) frameworks and restrictions, it freely unfolds as the fundamental basis of any Nazism - as European and, in its most developed form, American racism.
They admit that their use of the term "Nazi" is not to be read in relation to German Nazi or any other known idea of the term.
Pro-Russian commenters on the PoliBoard and elsewhere have been trying to make the case that the Russians have identified and are targeting 20th Century-style Nazis in Ukraine. This assertion is clearly based upon a lack of understanding of how the Russians are using the term.
This new Russian use of the term "Nazi" is applied to anyone who the Russians have decided they should conquer and control. In other words, it actually means nothing.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 1:49 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Makes zero sense in a thread about Russia but ok.
Muh Russia.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:09 pm to Baw Vivant
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Correct me if I’m wrong but it was my understanding that Russia has veto power so can effectively stop any resolution like that from going to the General Assembly in the first place, since a charter change would require all 5 votes of the permanent members of the security council.
I would like to start out by saying that I am not a lawyer so this might be mostly BS, but this is my understanding of the situation based on my minimal research into the matter.
The Soviet Union is still listed as one of the permanent members of the Security Council in Article 23 of the UN Charter. The Boris Yeltson informed the UN that the Russian Federation would be taking overthe USSR's permanent seat on the UNSC and did so because nobody opposed it. However there was never an official vote in the UN Security Council or the UN General Assembly regarding recognition of the Russian Federation's claims to be the legal successor to the USSR, and the USSR is still listed as one of the permanent members. The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic as well as the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic were original members of the UN just like the Russian Soviet Federated State, and in theory had just as much claim to the USSR's seat as Russia since both were founding members of the UN and founding republics of the USSR. If 2/3rds of the UN General Assembly votes to not recognize the Russian Federation as the legal Successor to the USSR then would lose their permanent seat. Similar to how the Republic of China lost its position on the UNSC to PRC back in the 1970s.
I would also like to add that I highly doubt that 130 countries would vote for a resolution not recognizing Russia as the successor to the USSR. If 130 countries did vote that way and the UN revoked Russia's permanent security council seat then I do not see Putin taking it well. Kyiv and possibly more cities will get nuked.
Also this vote is supposedly to just remove Russia from the UN's human rights council not the security council.
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:12 pm to WeeWee
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Lithuania on Monday said it will expel Russia's ambassador, and recall its envoy in Moscow, in response to indications that Russian forces may have committed war crimes in Ukraine, AP reported. "Lithuania strongly condemned the atrocities committed by the Russian armed forces in occupied Ukrainian cities, including the brutal massacres in Bucha," foreign minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said in a statement.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:25 pm to WeeWee
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Since the Green Party in Germany has been against nuclear power since their founding
The fricking irony that modern nuclear energy is the cleanest form of energy we have available, and the eco-nuts despise it.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:46 pm to jfan244888
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If Russia does try to invade Poland and the Baltics I wonder how'd they react.
They are a landlocked country with a small air force and small army. They would go along with whatever NATO tells to do.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:51 pm to phunkatron
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The fricking irony that modern nuclear energy is the cleanest form of energy we have available, and the eco-nuts despise it.
The fossil fuel industry has targeted nuclear power with great success in an effort to support of coal and natural gas. There is also an indication that the Russians targeted both nuclear and fossil fuel E&D in Europe to gain a greater share of the fossil fuel market in Europe.
In both cases the target of the propaganda was environmentalists. It may be more than coincidence that Jill Stein, Green Party candidate for president in 2016, was the beneficiary of Russian assistance. The hard core environmentalists are pretty easily manipulated.
This post was edited on 4/4/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:53 pm to Dominate308
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:56 pm to TBoy
I would hope this war has people reconsidering the glut of lies they've been fed about solar energy.
What happens when someone invades and strategically shells a solar array? That ground, and possibly groundwater, is now poisoned with heavy metals.
What happens when someone invades and strategically shells a solar array? That ground, and possibly groundwater, is now poisoned with heavy metals.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 2:59 pm to phunkatron
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ric Toler @AricToler · 2h Footage is nuts -- it shows Russian soldiers boxing and wrapping random objects at a Belarusian parcel delivery service near the Ukrainian border. Doesn't take an imagination to figure out where they got them from and where they're going. Here's a guy mailing an electric scooter
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:04 pm to phunkatron
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 1h An U.S Navy/Marine Amphibious Readiness Group lead by the USS Kearsarge Amphibious Assault Ship appears to be approaching the European Continent most likely to Engage in NATO Regional Operations, it has not been said whether they plan to enter the Mediterranean or the North Sea.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:06 pm to Jim Rockford
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The RAGE X - Intel @theragex · 3h U.S. Marine Corps F/A-18 Super Hornet fighters have been transferred to Lask Air Base in Poland as part of the strengthening of NATO's eastern flank. Heavy F-15 fighters of the U.S. Air Force are already based at the facility, periodically flying to the Ukrainian border.
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