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Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:36 pm to Jim Rockford
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12 Rosgvardia officers from Krasnodar refused order to go to Ukraine and were fired, human rights lawyer Pavel Chikov says. The officers said the order was illegal as their official duties were limited to Russian territory. They are suing their station for wrongful termination
Fellas, I have an idea. Let’s send some billboard attorneys from South La to represent them. If Putin thought the Ukrainian military was a pain the arse, hooo boy.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:38 pm to PrecedentedTimes
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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My suspicion is that Putin has made a call to the USG and told them that MiGs and a no fly zone are off limits but he’s willing to look the other way in regards to javelins and stingers and what nots like that
Lol wut
You really think Putin is making this very pragmatic and de-escalatory call to the US and allies, essentially telling them that it's cool if they keep supplying Ukraine with the very items keeping them in the war as long as they don't give them Migs? You really imagined that happening in your head and thought it might be likely?
The Javelins we've supplied Ukraine have knocked out hundreds of Russia's tanks and probably thousands of their soldiers, but you think Putin "understands" because the US "has to make the appearance of doing something"?
Come on, man
You give Putin waaaay too much credit
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:43 pm to RazorBroncs
Yes. I think exactly that
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
You realize that our supply of Javelins, Stingers, ammo, and intelligence to the Ukrainians is basically what's keeping them in this war right? This war that Putin expected to be much easier and quicker than it has been...
You think he's cool with that, though
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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My suspicion is that Putin has made a call to the USG and told them that MiGs and a no fly zone are off limits but he’s willing to look the other way in regards to javelins and stingers and what nots like that. He knows we need to help Ukraine in some way but those two things give him no chance to win and he’ll escalate if we try them. So we’re pumping Ukraine full of ATGMs and intelligence and Ukraine has to do the rest
I read this thread and to my surprise there is actually a legit discussion going on and then I read this. Now I will see how this comment evolved.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:47 pm to OweO
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:52 pm to RazorBroncs
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You realize that our supply of Javelins, Stingers, ammo, and intelligence to the Ukrainians is basically what's keeping them in this war right? This war that Putin expected to be much easier and quicker than it has been...
I don’t think anyone expected our javelins to be as effective as they have been
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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And I’ve heard that the F-16 is one of the easiest airplanes in the world to fly
I wonder how long it would take to train MIG pilots on the F16? Obviously longer than a month, but if the Ukies can hold on for a few months 70 F16s suddenly showing up over Ukraine it would have a hell of an impact.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:53 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
So is putin still cool with us supplying them to Ukraine now that we know how effective theyve been or nah
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:53 pm to OweO
I swear you sound just like the aspie dude that I went to school with growing up
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:54 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Apparently, Russia has found a way to evade the Ukrainian John Deere Brigade...
Ukrainian farmers know how to work pumps that connect to John Deere tractors.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:55 pm to WeeWee
Well 70 Ukrainian pilots probably staffs 20-25 airplanes. Flying the jet isn’t that hard. Operating it a combat environment and using the systems that can really kill bad guys is what will take time.
In reality training pilots is probably the easiest part of the process. Training maintainers and getting them ordinance that is compatible with the F-16, or any western jet, is the real problem
In reality training pilots is probably the easiest part of the process. Training maintainers and getting them ordinance that is compatible with the F-16, or any western jet, is the real problem
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:56 pm to WestCoastAg
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So is putin still cool with us supplying them to Ukraine now that we know how effective theyve been or nah
Of course he’s not “cool” with it but he’s not gonna start a war with NATO over some anti tank rockets.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:58 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Apparently, Russia has found a way to evade the Ukrainian John Deere Brigade...
When this war ends, there is some SERIOUS money to be made on scrap metal. Can you imagine what a whole arse tank would be worth? frickin A
Posted on 3/24/22 at 5:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:publicly of course. Secretively though through spy backchannels?
Of course he’s not “cool” with it
Posted on 3/24/22 at 6:02 pm to WestCoastAg
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publicly of course. Secretively though through spy backchannels?
That’s my assessment. Although in the end I guess it doesn’t really matter. We aren’t giving any jets to Ukraine or enforcing a no fly zone. I think the reason the jet deal was cancelled is because it was communicated to the US/NATO that that was a red line for Putin to escalate the way past Ukraine’s borders. At the time he thought he could still win even with the Ukrainians having the latest antitank shite but not if we reinforced their Air Force.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 6:08 pm to RazorBroncs
They can’t stop us from sending MANPADs and anti tank weapons.
So, if for no other reason, they will let it go. They don’t have a choice.
So, if for no other reason, they will let it go. They don’t have a choice.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 6:10 pm to AU86
And yet you continue to support George Soros, and you won't listen to facts about your cartoon character hero Zelensky
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