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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:23 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:23 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:I agree with this. And to take it a bit further, it’s about proving intent. That’s the rub with many criminal prosecutions. I’m not sure why this is such a point of interest in this situation. Does anyone really expect Putin to be arrested and prosecuted for war crimes? He will either negotiate an end to the war the eliminates that or he will be killed/or railroaded by someone within the Russian government, right? Are there other realistic options?
It’s not nearly as black and white as you’ve been led to believe. It’s about intent and proportionality.
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Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:26 am to WDE24
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Does anyone really expect Putin to be arrested and prosecuted for war crimes?
Of course not. But the criticism is that his military hasn't made actions that would legally constitute a war crime when they have.
It's like being charged with a crime, but the DA doesn't bother to prosecute the crime because it's not worth it. It's still a crime however.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 9:27 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:27 am to WDE24
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The NATO Reaction Force continues to build up with trains full of tanks, including American, snaking east towards Poland and the Baltics. As the NATO buildup continues, it will open up new political and military options. NATO may begin to flex its muscle, especially if it means protecting transshipment points leading into Ukraine. It seems to me that the Russians should be hitting transportation targets to disrupt the movement of Ukrainian reserves and NATO arms shipments. If they could, they would, or anyway it is too demanding to do so. Instead their offensive has ground to a halt. Hopefully the Ukrainian counteroffensive can continue into the next day, and the next. All the Ukrainians need to do is buy time and inflict a grim toll on the hapless Russian soldier.
Ok, now that we, I'm sorry NATO, are in place NATO needs a buffer from Mr. Putin. Dnieper River sounds good.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:28 am to Centinel
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This is specifically illegal under International Humanitarian Law. So yes, it is most certainly a war crime.
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Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:28 am to Centinel
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The point remains they bombed a hospital that was not being used for military purposes.
You have zero way of knowing this. You also have zero way of knowing whether or not the bombing was intentional. Russia has more to lose by committing war crimes than the Ukrainians do. The world has basically made it clear that Ukraine can do no wrong and all Russian soldiers are some sort of murderous barbarians. It’s ridiculous and simplistic.
quote:Then I assume you support rounding up Obama and Bush and virtually every American General that commanded in Iraq or Afghanistan.
It's a war crime by legal definition
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:29 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Then I assume you support rounding up Obama and Bush and virtually every American General that commanded in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Sure. We never should have been there.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:29 am to Centinel
quote:I mean, I suspect Putin has long been a criminal, both war and otherwise. I also believe he has likely committed war crimes during this invasion. I just don’t think arguing the semantics or ability to get a conviction is really that important because it will almost certainly never come to that.
Of course not. But the criticism is that his military hasn't made actions that would legally constitute a war crime when they have.
It's like being charged with a crime, but the DA doesn't bother to prosecute the crime because it's not worth it. It's still a crime however.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:30 am to WDE24
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I just don’t think arguing the semantics or ability to get a conviction is really that important because it will almost certainly never come to that.
This is a message board. Arguing semantics is what we do.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:31 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I find it curious that neither the Biden administration nor the majority of western leaders have been willing to use the term “war crime.”
LINK
This was you just yesterday so I'm not sure why you now seem to be fighting against the Senate's resolution.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:32 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Then I assume you support rounding up Obama and Bush and virtually every American General that commanded in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:33 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Then I assume you support rounding up Obama and Bush and virtually every American General that commanded in Iraq or Afghanistan.
A shitload of people in this country have been advocating for that for going on 20 years now lol
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:34 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Then I assume you support rounding up Obama and Bush and virtually every American General that commanded in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Hey man I was just following orders...
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:34 am to Lakeboy7
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especially if it means protecting transshipment points
Are these the reddit volunteer battalion supplies?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:37 am to upgrayedd
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transshipment points
Hmmm, I support everyones right to fight
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:38 am to Dr RC
Kunduz Hospital Strike
American AC-130 gunships shot a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan. What’s more likely? That we intentionally killed a bunch of doctors and patients in a war zone or we made a mistake due to the fog of war?
If the US military with all of its technology and all of its training can make a mistake and blow up a hospital is it out of the realm that the Russian military could accidentally bomb a hospital? Seriously, which one makes more sense to you?
American AC-130 gunships shot a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan. What’s more likely? That we intentionally killed a bunch of doctors and patients in a war zone or we made a mistake due to the fog of war?
If the US military with all of its technology and all of its training can make a mistake and blow up a hospital is it out of the realm that the Russian military could accidentally bomb a hospital? Seriously, which one makes more sense to you?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
You're trying to change the subject. You said yesterday you found it "curious" that various world governments weren't using the term war crime. Our does it today and now you are suddenly "well these are maybe not war crimes" and are seemingly against them doing it.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 9:44 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:44 am to Dr RC
Well when I said it it was true.
And is still think that maybe they aren’t war crimes.
I’m not really for or against Congress passing this resolution. It’s not like it has any tangible meaning anyway.
And is still think that maybe they aren’t war crimes.
I’m not really for or against Congress passing this resolution. It’s not like it has any tangible meaning anyway.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:57 am to GeauxxxTigers23
You know you are in the company of true hardened keyboard warriors when the few guys with actual knowledge and experience in war are in mass downvoted and ridiculed for not towing the propaganda line on a war.
This thread is almost sad to see but sort of expected. The number of posters who were Trump everything and "Biden stole the election" 3 months ago just needed a little war propaganda to get right down with the rest of the boot lickers to get their taste.
This thread is almost sad to see but sort of expected. The number of posters who were Trump everything and "Biden stole the election" 3 months ago just needed a little war propaganda to get right down with the rest of the boot lickers to get their taste.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:03 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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And is still think that maybe they aren’t war crimes.
And I suspect they are not as we define actionable war crimes historically. It literally has to be genocide to rise to the level of a "war crime".
I suspect these resolutions and free use of the term is to bring pressure on Mr. Putin to negotiate. The real danger for Mr. Putin is shite moves and changes quickly these days, so relying on what historically was a war crime could present some risk. In the legal business thats called detrimental reliance.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:03 am to GREENHEAD22
You can always tell when a poliboard creature ventures out of his safe space when they bring up downvotes. So used to being able to literally say anything and get fawned over until getting out into the real world 
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