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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/12/22 at 12:42 am to
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 12:42 am to
Good post amigo. Propaganda is a necessity of war. I doubt anyone here, even in the insane asylum next door, is bothered by the obvious propaganda we engaged in during WW2. There’s a difference between “ghost of kyiv” type of propaganda designed to boost morale and “the us/Ukraine are launching a bio weapon” propaganda which exists as a pretext for further escalation.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 1:13 am to
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Good post amigo. Propaganda is a necessity of war. I doubt anyone here, even in the insane asylum next door, is bothered by the obvious propaganda we engaged in during WW2. There’s a difference between “ghost of kyiv” type of propaganda designed to boost morale and “the us/Ukraine are launching a bio weapon” propaganda which exists as a pretext for further escalation.


Of course it’s a necessity, I’ve said that before in this very thread. I just think most people don’t realize it when they see it. And if I say “the ghost of Kyiv” is probably a bullshite lie i would get called a Putin dicksucker. The simple fact is that most people want to believe the lies because it makes them feel good.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 3:53 am to
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And if I say “the ghost of Kyiv” is probably a bullshite lie i would get called a Putin dicksucker.


Then consider the tone of your posts.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:28 am to
Can someone explain to me something that I may have missed in all of this…and it may be elementary, I don’t know. I considered asking on the Poli board, but I’d just get answers that involves Trump, CIA, laptops, and Deep State.

It’s been said throughout this whole ordeal that the main concern from Russia was that Ukraine was on the verge of joining NATO. Russia “wants no part of a neighboring country to be part of NATO due to the threat of weapons being aimed directly at them from close range.”

With that said, there’s already 4 NATO countries that sit on the border of Russia. The Baltic States and Norway. Why aren’t/haven’t the Russians thrown a tantrum about these areas and why is it a much bigger ordeal that Ukraine would be part of NATO?

The Baltic states and Norway could just as easily be in the bed with the US and UK like Ukraine is said to be.
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 6:30 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:38 am to
All I know is that when I hear that the government is teaming up with social media, I get nervous. One thing is very clear, there are two major and equal components to this campaign. One is to promote the message. The other is to destroy/attack/silence anyone who dares to question that message. The latter is the most important.
Posted by FredBear
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:51 am to
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All I know is that when I hear that the government is teaming up with social media, I get nervous.



Yep, that is a sure sign some bullshite is getting spread around and that's definitely the case with this "war". Some folks are swallowing it right on down though
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:58 am to
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Yep, that is a sure sign some bullshite is getting spread around and that's definitely the case with this "war". Some folks are swallowing it right on down though


I get that there's always going to be propaganda, but once the social media people get their marching orders, they're out destroy anyone that questions their message. Hell, just look at what happened with covid, especially for things like Ivermectin
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 7:15 am to
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Russia “wants no part of a neighboring country to be part of NATO due to the threat of weapons being aimed directly at them from close range.”


Subterfuge. Real reason is Ukraine is chock full of natural resources. Russia also has several pipelines that pass through Ukraine. Taking the country means no more royalties.

Last and most important part is Putin it’sa former KGB officer. He longs for restoring the might and power his country once possessed. Can’t do that without an empire in his opinion

Regarding the Baltic states joining NATO and it not causing a stir. Russia has kept those states on a high alert with shenanigans such as sending Russian national‘s across the border to foment political issues. The Baltic states have beefed up their military readiness and have expected an invasion from Russia since 2012.


Final thought. The Ukrainian people are family members to many Russian people. Vladimir Putin could not stand idle while people that look like his, talk like his, and have deep ties with Russian families experience high functioning economic growth and full-fledged democratic freedom while common Russians continue to be left in the dust.
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 7:17 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 7:24 am to
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Then consider the tone of your posts.
No
Posted by Palantir
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 7:34 am to
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All I know is that when I hear that the government is teaming up with social media, I get nervous.
Definitely understand that.

I also can understand why government uses social media to get their message out since it is the main way to get to the younger crowd.

Considering the alternative what Russia is doing and completely shutting down all platforms so they control the message though, I'm much more on the side of we at least get the freedom of choosing to listen or not.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 7:50 am to
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I also can understand why government uses social media to get their message out since it is the main way to get to the younger crowd.

Considering the alternative what Russia is doing and completely shutting down all platforms so they control the message though, I'm much more on the side of we at least get the freedom of choosing to listen or not.

It seems fairly innocuous on its face until you realize that the government is actively working with social media platforms to remove what they deem as misinformation. Jen Psaki said that the administration was flagging posts for Facebook regarding covid info they didn't like. I just don't see how there's really much difference between shutting down social media and having the government promote one narrative while banning alternative information. The latter seems far more insidious given that the disseminated information is perceived to be truth.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 7:52 am to
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It’s been said throughout this whole ordeal that the main concern from Russia was that Ukraine was on the verge of joining NATO. Russia “wants no part of a neighboring country to be part of NATO due to the threat of weapons being aimed directly at them from close range.”


Vlad is full of shite. Zelensky dropped his attempts to join NATO a few days before the invasion. Putin invaded anyway.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 7:54 am to
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It seems fairly innocuous on its face until you realize that the government is actively working with social media platforms to remove what they deem as misinformation.


Our intelligence community has said for over a decade now that Russia uses Facebook for disinformation. Why the hell should we allow that to continue at this point?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 8:02 am to
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Our intelligence community has said for over a decade now that Russia uses Facebook for disinformation. Why the hell should we allow that to continue at this point?



No doubt they do. The truth is that Facebook allows all kinds of entities to promulgate disinformation. The only difference is that the censors at Facebook decide what disinformation they'll allow and it's mostly based on politics.

Ironically, we were told for 5 years that Russian bots got Trump elected because they spent a couple hundred grand on Facebook and Facebook didn't flag that as disinformation even though it was
Posted by flvelo12
Palm Harbor, Florida
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 8:16 am to
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I just don't see how there's really much difference between shutting down social media and having the government promote one narrative while banning alternative information. The latter seems far more insidious given that the disseminated information is perceived to be truth.



I truly wish more people would realize the inherent evil in this & the ultimate price that will be paid with this mindset. We have just experienced it ad nauseum with the china plandemic.
Posted by OleWar
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 8:35 am to
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Final thought. The Ukrainian people are family members to many Russian people. Vladimir Putin could not stand idle while people that look like his, talk like his, and have deep ties with Russian families experience high functioning economic growth and full-fledged democratic freedom while common Russians continue to be left in the dust


This is patently untrue. Russian GDP per capita has been as high as 5x that of Ukrainian GDP just in the last few years and the quality of life was much higher in Russian cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg than Kiev or Kharkov.

And although Russia is politically authoritarian, I would not call what Ukraine had as full-fledged democracy, but a dysfunctional partial democracy.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
99023 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 8:49 am to
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This is the same army Biden tapped for covid messaging




Oh great this this admin is gonna be pushing fake news galore

I wonder how many more sniper twins we are here about
Wouldnt be surprised if posters like Dr RC cried with Max from DWTS who was trapped inside a Ukrainian Church in Los Anegles
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17501 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 8:56 am to
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Hell, just look at what happened with covid, especially for things like Ivermectin



Yep, those folks are saying we are crazy not to blindly trust our government and my response is.....



You mean our government that told us there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Our government that passed the patriot act?

Our government that said just two weeks to flatten the curve?

Our government that said if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?

Our government that said they have to pass it to know what's in it?

Our government that passes legislation in the middle of the night to spend 1 and a half trillion dollars while the citizenry is struggling with soaring gas, energy and grocery prices?



They also say we should believe what our media tells us.......

You mean the same media that showed footage from a gun range in Kentucky and claimed it was fighting in Syria? LOL


They can believe those crooked bastards if they want but I never will
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42353 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:05 am to
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Why the hell should we allow that to continue at this point?

Because having private companies censor speech at the direction of our surveillance apparati is objectively more harmful to a free society than allowing Russian disinformation into the marketplace of ideas.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:08 am to
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Our intelligence community has said for over a decade now that Russia uses Facebook for disinformation. Why the hell should we allow that to continue at this point?


We do the exact same to them, and every other nation.

The fact some people are upset over this shows how ignorant the population is.
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