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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:53 am to John Barron
Posted on 5/11/25 at 10:53 am to John Barron
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:03 am to John Barron
Everyone knew Zelensky would refuse to meet in Istanbul. There was no Ceasefire in 2022 when Ukraine went to Istanbul for Peace Negotiations. So now we have confirmation of what we knew all along, Zelensky just wants/needs a break in fighting for his weak Army.
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:18 am to cypher
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Ukraine’s Allies Set Ultimatum for Ceasefire, Macron Says US Commits to Monitor Truce
A coalition of the willing that arrived in Kyiv has called for a 30-day unconditional ceasefire after a phone call with Donald Trump. Ukraine agrees. Everyone is awaiting Russia’s response.
by Kyiv Post | May 10, 2025
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quote:Next (predictably):
Trump has agreed to support the plans of the "coalition of the willing" on Ukraine. [Politico] reports that Macron spoke with Trump by phone: "Trump took the call, even though it wasn’t yet 7 a.m. in Washington, and agreed to support Europe’s demands".
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Putin offers Kyiv direct peace talks — with no preconditions. Says they could start May 15 in Istanbul. He’s set to speak with President Erdogan tomorrow to request support in organizing the talks.
What preconditions? He refuses the offer by the Coalition by the Willing and asks everyone to go down the rabbit hole of delay, obfuscation and more delay, leading to another KGB-style dead end. He only needs one person to sign on.
Next (also predictably) aaand Trump bites down hard on Putin's counter:
Which, considering that Trump agreed to support the plans of the "coalition of the willing" on Ukraine, leads to some quick crawfishing from Washington. This from Trump spokesperson Gen. Keith Kellogg:
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As President Trump has repeatedly said, stop the killing!! An unconditional 30 day ceasefire first and, during it, move into comprehensive peace discussions. Not the other way around.
But Donnie's frick-up is going to take more than that to undo. Weiss lays it out:
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This is why what the Europeans did was clever. If Trump now falls for Putin’s bait-and-switch [which he did, of course] it means he is rejecting *his own plan*.
Even if he’s foolish enough to do that [he is...], the optics this time aren’t in his favor. There is no televised Oval Office showdown to blame on Zelensky. Zelensky was fully on board, with Trump’s encouragement.
More NY Post editorials and Fox News hits await: the president is weak and embarrassing and the Russians are eating our lunch. While missiles and drones continue to rain down on Ukraine. (“Vladimir, stop,” indeed.) Opposition will be not just in Kyiv, London and Brussels; it will also be here in the U.S. Furthermore, deals on F-16 spare parts, Patriots, indirect aid via Germany (arty and Pat missiles) [125 HIMARS and 100 Patriots] —undoing all these things means undoing what Trump himself put in motion. Sad!
But Trump's shot straight through the foot doesn't change a thing for the Europeans. More from Weiss:
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Added to which, Europe’s position is unchanged. No sanctions relief and no halt to security assistance, no matter what Washington says or does. Ukraine isn’t going to negotiate the terms of its surrender in Turkey, especially when the U.S. assesses (Christ, even J.D. fricking Vance assesses) that Russia cannot take more territory by force.
Now we have Trump in a corner, changing his mind by the hour on support for Ukraine and the 30-day ceasefire. The recently announced HIMARS and Patriot package helps clarify things and are hopefully followed by more, but were Ok'ed to try to stop Merz from sending the Taurus missiles before any on this rained down.
Right now, Trump has sidelined the US and has work to do to regain any influence. The phones are open, but no one is talking to Kellogg. Or Vance or Witkoff. Someone is going to have to explain to Donnie what his options are and why anything other than the 'foot on Putin's throat' option is another mistake. Tik tok.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 11:39 am to Coeur du Tigre
Trump needs to remember what he said before the election and facilitate the arming of Ukraine emphasizing defensive weapons.
He needs to keep up drill, drill, drill plan going. Hurt Russia in the pocket book.
It’s Putin’s war. Make him own it.
He needs to keep up drill, drill, drill plan going. Hurt Russia in the pocket book.
It’s Putin’s war. Make him own it.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:04 pm to Coeur du Tigre
No Ceasefire so Zelensky can rest and rearm. Show up at Istanbul and negotiate a Peace Deal.....or.......Die and lose more territory
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:04 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:07 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:35 pm to John Barron
Trump tells Zelensky to meet with Russia "Immediately" in Turkey. The game is over for Zelensky 
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Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:42 pm to cypher
Volodymyr Zelenskyy
@ZelenskyyUa
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We await a full and lasting ceasefire, starting from tomorrow, to provide the necessary basis for diplomacy. There is no point in prolonging the killings. And I will be waiting for Putin in Türkiye on Thursday. Personally. I hope that this time the Russians will not look for excuses.
@ZelenskyyUa
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We await a full and lasting ceasefire, starting from tomorrow, to provide the necessary basis for diplomacy. There is no point in prolonging the killings. And I will be waiting for Putin in Türkiye on Thursday. Personally. I hope that this time the Russians will not look for excuses.
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/11/25 at 12:54 pm to John Barron
quote:Once again you misstate what Trump's X post says.
Trump tells Zelensky to meet with Russia "Immediately" in Turkey.
So, more fake news by you.
Trump said Ukraine should "agree to meet on Thursday immediately" not "Zelensky should meet immediately."
Why do you consistently fabricate quotes? Is it intentional or just because of blatant ignorance?
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:19 pm to John Barron
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No Ceasefire so Zelensky can rest and rearm
So you are against Trump's demand for an unconditional 30 day ceasefire?
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:30 pm to cypher
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Personally. I hope that this time the Russians will not look for excuses.
Tell Z not to pack for a long trip.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:39 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:40 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:45 pm to cypher
Interesting developments -
First, Trump doubles down on blind stupidity by supporting Putin's Istanbul tar baby for a second time. I know it's Mother's Day, but is anyone watching him?
Then as a major surprise, Zelenskyy agrees to the talks in Istanbul. Wow. But we know Zelenskyy is not stupid and given the time frame this is looking like he's calling Putin's bluff. The key here is "a full and lasting ceasefire, starting from tomorrow". In other words, a matter of hours.
Can Putin do it? Yes, it's possible. He can stop killing Ukrainian civilians. Will Putin do it? Of course not. But showing this to Trump adds clarity for Washington and keeps the arms support pipeline to Ukraine open. Every day that happens is worth a bit of wasted time and foolishness I suppose.
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy
@ZelenskyyUa
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We await a full and lasting ceasefire, starting from tomorrow, to provide the necessary basis for diplomacy. There is no point in prolonging the killings. And I will be waiting for Putin in Türkiye on Thursday. Personally. I hope that this time the Russians will not look for excuses.
First, Trump doubles down on blind stupidity by supporting Putin's Istanbul tar baby for a second time. I know it's Mother's Day, but is anyone watching him?
Then as a major surprise, Zelenskyy agrees to the talks in Istanbul. Wow. But we know Zelenskyy is not stupid and given the time frame this is looking like he's calling Putin's bluff. The key here is "a full and lasting ceasefire, starting from tomorrow". In other words, a matter of hours.
Can Putin do it? Yes, it's possible. He can stop killing Ukrainian civilians. Will Putin do it? Of course not. But showing this to Trump adds clarity for Washington and keeps the arms support pipeline to Ukraine open. Every day that happens is worth a bit of wasted time and foolishness I suppose.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:50 pm to John Barron
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John Barron
Interesting you/they leave off the part about Turkey saying a ceasefire would be a great start
Oh and this
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:51 pm to StormyMcMan
And I'm sure Russia will halt their supply and production lines so not to rearm either 
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