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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:50 am to CitizenK
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:50 am to CitizenK
quote:But, Dude, the EU countries were not keeping out Sasol's products. On the contrary, the EU market was Sasol's biggest for a long list of industrial alcohols. We're all aware of the European's protectionist habits, but that wasn't the case in this instance.
Dude that is part of what the EU's climate change requirements do to keep out process equipment (and likely other goods) from the European market. At least in some cases require a useless appendage patented and only available by European (German) OEMs, even toothbrush assembly. This is comical AF when exposed.
What about how France turns a blind eye to its companies' massive bribery overseas so those profits can be brought home as they do in the Nigeria oilfields where US companies would have all of the market in certain sectors based on expertise and price.
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:57 am to AU86
On all of this, Russia holds the cards.
Two real core issues at play are both driven by what Russia wants:
1) What land does Russia get from Ukraine
2) What is the future security status of Ukraine
If Ukraine were to cede to Russia all of the lands Russia currently has occupied, including Crimea...is that a deal Russia will accept? If not, they have no reason to stop the war; they will choose to keep fighting. That decision is not driven by Ukraine; that's on Russia's.
If Russia says, we want all of the oblasts we annexed (without having total control of them), then the decision is Ukraine's, not Russia's. Is it worth it to Ukraine to keep fighting? However, should Ukraine say no, it is worth the cost to us to keep fighting; then it becomes Russia's decision to make. Is the value of taking the land they don't control equal to the cost to obtain it?
Either way, the US doesn't have to be involved. That text of a ceasefire plan requires the US to provide the backbone via some "Article 5" type mechanism. Screw that...let the Europeans be the muscle.
Trump is 1000000% right, the Europeans need to step up and stop relying on us.
Two real core issues at play are both driven by what Russia wants:
1) What land does Russia get from Ukraine
2) What is the future security status of Ukraine
If Ukraine were to cede to Russia all of the lands Russia currently has occupied, including Crimea...is that a deal Russia will accept? If not, they have no reason to stop the war; they will choose to keep fighting. That decision is not driven by Ukraine; that's on Russia's.
If Russia says, we want all of the oblasts we annexed (without having total control of them), then the decision is Ukraine's, not Russia's. Is it worth it to Ukraine to keep fighting? However, should Ukraine say no, it is worth the cost to us to keep fighting; then it becomes Russia's decision to make. Is the value of taking the land they don't control equal to the cost to obtain it?
Either way, the US doesn't have to be involved. That text of a ceasefire plan requires the US to provide the backbone via some "Article 5" type mechanism. Screw that...let the Europeans be the muscle.
Trump is 1000000% right, the Europeans need to step up and stop relying on us.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 10:59 am to cypher
quote:"Led by third countries and supported by the US" would be a much more viable option. We have seen Trump's "head in the sand' ceasefire monitoring just this month. No thanks.
Ceasefire monitoring, led by the US and supported by third countries.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:00 am to AU86
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The US is leaving again with it's tail tucked between it's legs just like in: 1. Vietnam 2. Iraq 3. Afghanistan And now we have Ukraine.
There is a huge difference between Ukraine and the three wars you listed.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:03 am to Darth_Vader
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For Ukraine to press their 18-25 generation into front line service is akin to Germany in 1945 pressing teenaged Hitlerjugend and Luftwaffe flak auxiliaries into shattered Volksgrenadier kampfgruppen and throwing them into the cauldron of the front to be slaughtered for no purpose or benefit in a war that’s already decided.
IN THE END IT WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AND WILL ONLY WASTE A GENERATION
Very wise and true. Nice to see someone who is actually in touch with reality and shares truth and common sense.
I am afraid Zelensky is willing to play the role of Hitler in the bunker. I am afraid he is going to take Ukraine down like Hitler did Germany. I believe the ultra nationalists there are holding him to it.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:04 am to AU86
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doubleb believes that Ukrainian will and honor will prevail
Wrong, I believe that Ukraine will fight as long as they can. I thought they would have lost a long time ago as did most here.
But guess what. They are still holding fairly well.
I think there only chance is to settle, and I think Russia hopes they do.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:07 am to doubleb
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There is a huge difference between Ukraine and the three wars you listed.
Yes in Ukraine we have dead Ukrainians. In those other three we had dead Americans.
In all four we have defeat and failure.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:08 am to AU86
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In all four we have defeat and failure.
But we don’t have dead soldiers.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:11 am to Chromdome35
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1) What land does Russia get from Ukraine 2) What is the future security status of Ukraine
One can be negotiated. I don’t know how two can be. That is the issue.
quote:
Either way, the US doesn't have to be involved. That text of a ceasefire plan requires the US to provide the backbone via some "Article 5" type mechanism. Screw that..
.let the Europeans be the muscle.
I’m definitely opposed to a hard and fast US guarantee.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:11 am to AU86
We lost those wars politically, but we did not lose them militarily.
The US military dominated our opponents on the battlefield, but then we attempted to utilize them for a purpose for which the military is not designed.
The US military dominated our opponents on the battlefield, but then we attempted to utilize them for a purpose for which the military is not designed.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:12 am to doubleb
Putin and Witkoff discussed the possibility of direct negotiations between Ukraine and Russia
??The meeting lasted 3 hours and “was constructive in nature”, it “brought closer the positions of Russia and the United States not only on Ukraine, but also on other issues,” said presidential aide Ushakov.
??Productive dialogue between Russia and the United States will continue to be carried out at various levels.
?? The Kremlin considers it symbolic that the conversation between Putin and Witkoff took place on the anniversary of the meeting on the Elbe.
??There is movement towards progress in Putin’s negotiations with Witkoff, said RDIF head Dmitriev
??The meeting lasted 3 hours and “was constructive in nature”, it “brought closer the positions of Russia and the United States not only on Ukraine, but also on other issues,” said presidential aide Ushakov.
??Productive dialogue between Russia and the United States will continue to be carried out at various levels.
?? The Kremlin considers it symbolic that the conversation between Putin and Witkoff took place on the anniversary of the meeting on the Elbe.
??There is movement towards progress in Putin’s negotiations with Witkoff, said RDIF head Dmitriev
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:15 am to doubleb
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But we don’t have dead soldiers.
I guess the Ukrainians don't count among some.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:17 am to cypher
terrorism update...
In the dead of night, as families slept, a Russian missile tore through Kyiv’s sky—and then their homes. On April 24, 2025, Ukraine’s capital suffered its deadliest missile and drone attack since the early days of Russia’s full-scale invasion. Russia killed at least 12 people and injured 90 more, including children and a pregnant woman.
Apr 25, 2025 17:27
The Harrowing First Hours After Russia’s Deadliest 2025 Strike on Kyiv, In Photos (United24Media)
Russia’s deadliest 2025 strike on Kyiv killed 12—including an 18-month-old—and injured 90.
A North Korean missile hit a residential building at 1 a.m. Rescuers dug through rubble for over 12 hours.
In the dead of night, as families slept, a Russian missile tore through Kyiv’s sky—and then their homes. On April 24, 2025, Ukraine’s capital suffered its deadliest missile and drone attack since the early days of Russia’s full-scale invasion. Russia killed at least 12 people and injured 90 more, including children and a pregnant woman.
Apr 25, 2025 17:27
The Harrowing First Hours After Russia’s Deadliest 2025 Strike on Kyiv, In Photos (United24Media)
Russia’s deadliest 2025 strike on Kyiv killed 12—including an 18-month-old—and injured 90.
A North Korean missile hit a residential building at 1 a.m. Rescuers dug through rubble for over 12 hours.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:18 am to Chromdome35
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The US military dominated our opponents on the battlefield, but then we attempted to utilize them for a purpose for which the military is not designed.
Truth. I am talking government policy and those that support intervention. We should have never been there to start with other than removing the Taliban and getting out.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:18 am to Coeur du Tigre
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But, Dude, the EU countries were not keeping out Sasol's products. On the contrary, the EU market was Sasol's biggest for a long list of industrial alcohols. We're all aware of the European's protectionist habits, but that wasn't the case in this instance.
They need these alcohols and cannot make them competitively. They also make a lot of higher alcohols here in the US.
BTW, German companies have been moving manufacturing to Poland as well as the US.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:19 am to doubleb
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It isn’t clear, but yes I believe they’d settle for this.
Its not about what they would settle for, its that they care about the resources in the east rather than about the people or cities. The cities in the west I think they would care about if they are in a position to grab those, which at present day they are not
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:21 am to AU86
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I guess the Ukrainians don't count among some.
The dead Ukrainians died for their country.
The dead Russians died for Putin,
There are no dead Americaa soldiers so stop equating this war to Vietnam or any war where Americans fought and died. It dishonors our brave soldiers.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:25 am to John Barron
The battle of Mariupol will go down as a historic Russian Victory where Azoz built their Headquarters for years with the purpose of being able to hunker down and not give up the city. Azoz Nazis failed and we're destroyed
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:33 am to doubleb
But I thought you cared about Ukraine and Ukrainians?
It is very evident to me that many in the US and Europe would be willing to sacrifice the Ukrainians just to harm Putin and Russia.
Isn't that what this war has been about?
Loyd Austin said so.
It is very evident to me that many in the US and Europe would be willing to sacrifice the Ukrainians just to harm Putin and Russia.
Isn't that what this war has been about?
Loyd Austin said so.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:37 am to AU86
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Isn't that what this war has been about?
The war has been all about one thing; Putin’s desire for power and glory.
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