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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/16/25 at 6:28 am to doubleb
Posted on 3/16/25 at 6:28 am to doubleb
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Russian apologists never relented. They keep siding with Rusdia.
Here’s where you have it twisted, playboy. I don’t side with Russia or Ukraine. However anyone in his thread who doesn’t voice unrelenting support-for the Ukrainians is a bot, a troll, a Putin apologist, or an icon kisser. You are just angry that “your side” isn’t doing all the things you wish casted for the last 3 years.
I’m for America first. We are 36 trillion in debt thanks to endless wars and corruption. Folks were laughed and mocked when claiming fraud and abuse in this thread with American money and aid. Seems that at least some of the claims are/were true with USAID and NGOs.
So tell me again who is selling a narrative that is not authentic. As for me I’m going to leave my house I own in Florida and go get my boat I own and go fish in the Gulf of America. The tarpon are back and I actually “touch grass” and live my life. I suggest you do the same and quit accusing others of lying or being Russian
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 7:59 am to Hog Zealot
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I don’t side with Russia or Ukraine. However anyone in his thread who doesn’t voice unrelenting support-for the Ukrainians is a bot, a troll, a Putin apologist, or an icon kisser.
Unless your SirWinston
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Let's heckin go. I'm now openly cheering for Russia.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 8:05 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 3/16/25 at 8:09 am to cypher
Posted on 3/16/25 at 9:22 am to cypher
Posted on 3/16/25 at 9:31 am to cypher
Russia is foolish to waste ordinance on civilians. It doesn't hurt the Ukraine military and just pisses people off.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 9:40 am to Coeur du Tigre
Not typical at all except for a vacuum tower which AVT would signify.
Most definitely not any type of cracker. Those are reactors. A cat cracker is in two parts reactor and regenerator. A hydrocracker is a high pressure vessel. Depending on function for produces usually 2000 psig to 3500 psig thus thick steel with 347 weld overlay on wetted surfaces, thus you can only see the chrome moly alloy steel.
I left out older technology of a thermal cracker with its large fired heater.
Some reports say refinery but there is no refinery there. One case was a NGL's fractionation plant with an isomerization unit. The final part of the converts pentanes+, aka condensate, into gasoline. The achilles heel would be the hyrogen reformer with hydrogen being required to isomerize the condensate in gasoline. There was also the report of a refinery hit near St. Petersburg which is an NGL fractionation plant with a terminal to load ships but also has an isomerization unit. The target market was Europe.
So when there is a report of Ukraine drones hitting a refinery, the reports are mostly inaccurate but the strikes do have an affect just not a catastrophic one to take any refinery out of service other than temporarily to reroute some of the flow of products to tankage.
Most definitely not any type of cracker. Those are reactors. A cat cracker is in two parts reactor and regenerator. A hydrocracker is a high pressure vessel. Depending on function for produces usually 2000 psig to 3500 psig thus thick steel with 347 weld overlay on wetted surfaces, thus you can only see the chrome moly alloy steel.
I left out older technology of a thermal cracker with its large fired heater.
Some reports say refinery but there is no refinery there. One case was a NGL's fractionation plant with an isomerization unit. The final part of the converts pentanes+, aka condensate, into gasoline. The achilles heel would be the hyrogen reformer with hydrogen being required to isomerize the condensate in gasoline. There was also the report of a refinery hit near St. Petersburg which is an NGL fractionation plant with a terminal to load ships but also has an isomerization unit. The target market was Europe.
So when there is a report of Ukraine drones hitting a refinery, the reports are mostly inaccurate but the strikes do have an affect just not a catastrophic one to take any refinery out of service other than temporarily to reroute some of the flow of products to tankage.
This post was edited on 3/16/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/16/25 at 10:11 am to Hog Zealot
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Here’s where you have it twisted, playboy. I don’t side with Russia or Ukraine. However anyone in his thread who doesn’t voice unrelenting support-for the Ukrainians is a bot, a troll, a Putin apologist, or an icon kisser. You are just angry that “your side” isn’t doing all the things you wish casted for the last 3 years.
I was addressing those that professed to be against Ukraine because they were costing us tax dollars. Now that we quit giving aid these same people still defend Rusdia and are happy when Ukraine loses.
And I wish cast very little. I am realistic, Ukraine is slowly giving ground. It’s obvious.
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I’m for America first. We are 36 trillion in debt thanks to endless wars and corruption. Folks were laughed and mocked when claiming fraud and abuse in this thread with American money and aid. Seems that at least some of the claims are/were true with USAID and NGOs.
I am for America first also, but you can be for Ukraine, Israel, NATO, Taiwan, etc at the same time. Folks laughed and mocked for claiming fraud and abuse? In this thread? Fraud and abuse? This is a thread about the Ukraine war.
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So tell me again who is selling a narrative that is not authentic. As for me I’m going to leave my house I own in Florida and go get my boat I own and go fish in the Gulf of America. The tarpon are back and I actually “touch grass” and live my life. I suggest you do the same and quit accusing others of lying or being Russian
JB for one.
And good luck in your boat. Catch a big one.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 10:18 am to CitizenK
An example of a catastrophic failure would be the cat cracker unit explosion at Shell in Norco in the late 1980's. Modern western made process controls safely shutdown the entire refinery in which each unit being shutdown in proper sequence. After the resulting fire was over the refinery was able to start up its individual process units, sans the cat cracker. Cat cracker feedstock was just sold on the market, and its products purchased from the open market as needed. The one unit affected by the lack of the cat cracker was alkylation unit, which uses cat cracker created gases to be turned into a gasoline blending component. This component increase "octane" rating, but there is little to no octane in it.
This post was edited on 3/16/25 at 10:25 am
Posted on 3/16/25 at 10:22 am to CitizenK
Kiev Independent
Cope, Lee and the rest--here is your call to arms. Heed the call, there's no time for delay.
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‘I can’t sit and watch it’ – US volunteers join Ukrainian army after Trump’s sharp policy turn
Cope, Lee and the rest--here is your call to arms. Heed the call, there's no time for delay.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 11:44 am to Hog Zealot
quote:= I side with Russia.
I don’t side with Russia or Ukraine.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:02 pm to CitizenK
quote:I think I see the source of confusion. The illustration of the anti-drone mesh I posted was of a general refinery set up, not the specific Novoshakhtinsk refinery. The tower in the illustration is not supposed to represent a specific type of unit. It's only there to show how these mesh units are supposed to work at any refinery.
Not typical at all except for a vacuum tower which AVT would signify.
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So when there is a report of Ukraine drones hitting a refinery, the reports are mostly inaccurate but the strikes do have an affect just not a catastrophic one to take any refinery out of service other than temporarily to reroute some of the flow of products to tankage.
If these were once-off attacks, I would agree. However, my point is that these refineries are being hit over and over and the Russians are helpless to stop it. The refinery I picked to illustrate this, the Novoshakhtinsk refinery, has been hit three times since last June and each time it was seriously damaged. Trying to repair or replace process units of whatever description is a losing game. As seen, a replacement process unit that took six months to build is destroyed almost at will with a $15,000 drone.
As Russia's almost sole source of foreign currency used to maintain their war effort is derived from the export of crude oil and petroleum products, the routine destruction of their refinery capacity added to the continuing crude oil sanctions are the biggest problems they have. And there's nothing they can do about it.
We read that at the rate the Russians are capturing Ukrainian land now, they will have conquered all of the country in 118 years. In 2024, they absorbed 4,168km2. Which is just over five times the size of New York City. At current rates of drone attacks, I doubt the Russian refinery capacity will last two years, at the most. Everyone wants to talk about manpower issues, but Ukraine's “kinetic sanctions” of Russia's petroleum-based economy will determine the outcome of this war.
Thanks again for the response.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:05 pm to G The Tiger Fan
US News & World Report: Americans Worry Trump Too Closely Aligned With Russia, Reuters/Ipsos Poll Finds
More than half of Americans, including one in four Republicans, think President Donald Trump is "too closely aligned" with Russia, as he radically realigns U.S. foreign policy, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll shows.
The two-day poll completed on Wednesday also found little appetite among Americans for Trump's expansionist agenda, as the Republican president talks of acquiring Greenland, Canada and the Panama Canal.
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More than half of Americans, including one in four Republicans, think President Donald Trump is "too closely aligned" with Russia, as he radically realigns U.S. foreign policy, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll shows.
The two-day poll completed on Wednesday also found little appetite among Americans for Trump's expansionist agenda, as the Republican president talks of acquiring Greenland, Canada and the Panama Canal.
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:18 pm to Lee B
Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:55 pm to CitizenK
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Very and interesting info on Europe's rearmament declarations.
Good catch. Very interesting breakdown on this topic, especially the situation with Germany. With the voters now solidly behind a rearmament (thanks again Donnie) and Deutsch bonds in the 2% neighborhood, this solves a lot of Berlin's problems.
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I think one of the sadder lessons that some countries might take from the war in Ukraine and other conflicts in the 20th and 21st centuries is that as far as preserving the fundamental existence of your state from a foreign Invasion goes, plutonium usually beats paper.
Fo sho.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:01 pm to AU86
Its pretty simple at this point, you agree to Russia's points and a ceasefire can begin, you dont, it wont.
Why on earth would Russia pause and let them rearm and regroup?
ukraine has now lost their best troops in Kursk and Russia can bring their thousands of troops in Kursk to bear on the front.
Its gonna get even ulgier real quick.
Why on earth would Russia pause and let them rearm and regroup?
ukraine has now lost their best troops in Kursk and Russia can bring their thousands of troops in Kursk to bear on the front.
Its gonna get even ulgier real quick.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:08 pm to Hog Zealot
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I don’t side with Russia or Ukraine. However anyone in his thread who doesn’t voice unrelenting support-for the Ukrainians is a bot, a troll, a Putin apologist, or an icon kisser. You are just angry that “your side” isn’t doing all the things you wish casted for the last 3 years. I’m for America first. We are 36 trillion in debt thanks to endless wars and corruption.
Let's be clear about some things:
* It is totally reasonable and appropriate to say that you want the war to end.
* It is totally reasonable and appropriate to say that you don't want U.S. soldiers fighting in Ukraine, especially if you want to have a rational, evidence-based discussion of why.
* It is totally reasonable and appropriate to say that you don't want more, or more that X amount, of U.S. money and/or equipment going to Ukraine, especially if you want to have a rational, evidence-based discussion of why.
* It is totally reasonable and appropriate to say that you think either Russia or Ukraine is in fact winning the war / doing better / achieving objectives / etc., in general and/or in any particular location(s), especially if you want to have a rational, evidence-based discussion of why. In fact, IMO that is the purpose and main appropriate on-topic content for this thread.
* But anyone who does not actively desire to see Ukraine win this war against the country that invaded them, Russia, is IMO un-American (and certainly no heir to the politics of Ronald Reagan). Anyone happy or gloating about Russian successes and/or Ukrainian failures is un-American and IMO probably a bad person. If I were Chicken, such people would not be welcome to participate in TigerDroppings.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:20 pm to NOLATiger163
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Anyone happy or gloating about Russian successes and/or Ukrainian failures is un-American and IMO probably a bad person.
There are four or five of this kind of scum in this thread.
And then the always middle of the road TNVol guy who somehow is 95% arguing against Ukraine. LOL.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:42 pm to notiger1997
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