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Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:53 am to cypher
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:06 pm to cypher
quote:Excellent article and source. Thanks.
highly recommend Craig's newsletter article referenced in the Ukrainska Pravda article.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 1:15 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:42 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/13/25 at 2:59 pm to VolSquatch
quote:
If its not ending now then its because Russia isn't ready for it to end,
Russia cannot end it... Putin would be overthrown and killed, so it's pedal to the metal for the rest of his life.
And that also answers your statement about right after the initial invasion failed... he was going to intensify it because if he didn't, other parts of Russia and its orbit revolt, all at once.
If Ukraine is not completely either conquered or destroyed, he loses other places.
But I just read someone say "Greenland is important to the US for security!!!" Security... against who? CHina? "Russia, duh!"
Well, you know... uh... seems like there's another way to remove that threat without whatever mess we're wading into with Greenland... but that wouldn't gives us control of Greenland's natural resources, would it?
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:39 pm to Lee B
quote:
Well, you know... uh... seems like there's another way to remove that threat without whatever mess we're wading into with Greenland... but that wouldn't gives us control of Greenland's natural resources, would it?
Would you like to tell us how that threat could be removed or the current situation reversed without sending NATO troops in?
I keep asking this and no one ever answers the question.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:40 pm to Lee B
quote:
Russia cannot end it... Putin would be overthrown and killed, so it's pedal to the metal for the rest of his life.
And that also answers your statement about right after the initial invasion failed... he was going to intensify it because if he didn't, other parts of Russia and its orbit revolt, all at once.
If Ukraine is not completely either conquered or destroyed, he loses other places.
I guess anything is possible. I don't really buy this, though.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:43 pm to Lee B
quote:
But I just read someone say "Greenland is important to the US for security!!!" Security... against who? CHina? "Russia, duh!"
Well, you know... uh... seems like there's another way to remove that threat without whatever mess we're wading into with Greenland... but that wouldn't gives us control of Greenland's natural resources, would it?
You answered you're own question. Its about the resources, not national security.
I also think Trump wants to do something like that so he will be remembered years and years from now. Though I don't think most people could even tell you what the Louisiana Purchase was, much less who was President at the time.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 7:33 am
Posted on 1/13/25 at 3:57 pm to VolSquatch
Bryansk chemical plant hit in aerial attack, Russian media says
by Abbey Fenbert January 13, 2025 10:52 PM
Editor's Note: This is a developing story and is being updated.
A chemical plant in Russia's Bryansk Oblast was allegedly damaged in an aerial attack on the night of Jan. 13, Russian media reported.
Regional Governor Alexander Bogomaz reported that Russian air defense units were repelling a drone attack over Bryansk Oblast. Later in the evening, the Astra Telegram news channel reported that the Bryansk chemical plant had been hit — possibly by a long-range ATACMS missile — and posted footage showing explosions at the site.
The Kyiv Independent could not verify these claims.
The Bryansk chemical plant produces gunpowder and explosives, according to Andrii Kovalenko, head of Ukraine's counter-disinformation center.
"It is important for the production of artillery ammunition and missiles for the Russian army," Kovalenko said in a Telegram post after the alleged attack.
"This enterprise is one of the key elements of the Russian military industry."
The Kyiv Independent
by Abbey Fenbert January 13, 2025 10:52 PM
Editor's Note: This is a developing story and is being updated.
A chemical plant in Russia's Bryansk Oblast was allegedly damaged in an aerial attack on the night of Jan. 13, Russian media reported.
Regional Governor Alexander Bogomaz reported that Russian air defense units were repelling a drone attack over Bryansk Oblast. Later in the evening, the Astra Telegram news channel reported that the Bryansk chemical plant had been hit — possibly by a long-range ATACMS missile — and posted footage showing explosions at the site.
The Kyiv Independent could not verify these claims.
The Bryansk chemical plant produces gunpowder and explosives, according to Andrii Kovalenko, head of Ukraine's counter-disinformation center.
"It is important for the production of artillery ammunition and missiles for the Russian army," Kovalenko said in a Telegram post after the alleged attack.
"This enterprise is one of the key elements of the Russian military industry."
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 1/13/25 at 4:41 pm to AU86
quote:
Would you like to tell us how that threat could be removed or the current situation reversed without sending NATO troops in?
I keep asking this and no one ever answers the question.
If we're going to force someone to sell us an Island against their will to station troops on it for the inevitable point where we have to fight Russia, sounds like fighting Russia directly is a thing someone is prepared for...
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:21 pm to Lee B
I think the Russians still want what Prime Minister Stolypin wanted.
Putin's first focus over the course of his rule was the economy, and increasing the wealth of the country.
quote:
give the government 20 years of internal and external peace and you will no more recognize Russia
Putin's first focus over the course of his rule was the economy, and increasing the wealth of the country.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:26 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:
Putin's first focus over the course of his rule was the economy, and increasing the wealth of himself and his chosen Oligarchs.
FIFY
The reason he can't have prospering Western-aligned countries in his orbit is that it invalidates his big lie to the Russian people: "Westerners do not have it any better than you do."
Posted on 1/13/25 at 5:33 pm to AU86
quote:
They have no interest in occupying all of Ukraine. Only up to the Dnieper River and Odessa.
Didn’t they first say they only had interest in occupying Crimea (a decade ago)?
Looks more like a long term/incremental takeover
Crimea - first objective (2014)
Dnieper River - second objective (ASAP)
Remainder of Ukraine - third objective (TBD)
Other former USSR satellite states - future objectives
Posted on 1/13/25 at 6:29 pm to Lee B
quote:
If we're going to force someone to sell us an Island against their will
Hey buddy. According to the most recent poll a majority of them want to be part of America. Personally, I really don’t care if they are part of the US.
Oh and also, pal..the reason for purchasing it wouldn’t be “to have somewhere to fight Russia”. That doesn’t even make sense, guy.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 6:38 pm to texag7
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Hey buddy. According to the most recent poll a majority of them want to be part of America. Personally, I really don’t care if they are part of the US.
Polls are reliable, now? How many polls said that? Show us the methodology and the trustworthiness of the source and pollster.
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Oh and also, pal..the reason for purchasing it wouldn’t be “to have somewhere to fight Russia”. That doesn’t even make sense, guy.
Arctic Security: Greenland’s location makes it an ideal base for monitoring and responding to activities in the Arctic region. The island’s proximity to North America — just a few hours’ flight from major U.S. cities — underscores its critical role in homeland defense.
It is a base from which to attack Russia, or respond to attack from Russia through the Arctic.
Of course, that could be bullshite and Trump is just lying about his real motive...
This post was edited on 1/13/25 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 1/13/25 at 6:42 pm to Lee B
of course, the US does already have military bases in Greenland... and Denmark is a member of NATO...
Posted on 1/13/25 at 7:15 pm to texag7
The US has tried to buy Greenland from Denmark several since WWII. Thule AFB was of bigtime importance during the Cold War.
Right after WWII the US offered $!00 million for it.
Until the mine played out it was the only place in the world with cyrolite (sodium aluminum fluoride) used as a flux to smelt alumina into aluminum. We use synthetic cryolite now beginning in the 1970's if memory serves me correctly Kaiser Aluminum had a synthetic cryolite plant at Grammercy
Right after WWII the US offered $!00 million for it.
Until the mine played out it was the only place in the world with cyrolite (sodium aluminum fluoride) used as a flux to smelt alumina into aluminum. We use synthetic cryolite now beginning in the 1970's if memory serves me correctly Kaiser Aluminum had a synthetic cryolite plant at Grammercy
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:36 pm to Lee B
quote:
Arctic Security: Greenland’s location makes it an ideal base for monitoring and responding to activities in the Arctic region. The island’s proximity to North America — just a few hours’ flight from major U.S. cities — underscores its critical role in homeland defense. It is a base from which to attack Russia, or respond to attack from Russia through the Arctic.
Looks like we’re poking the bear. Russia would be right to preemptively invade Greenland imo.
Posted on 1/13/25 at 10:05 pm to Lee B
quote:
If we're going to force someone to sell us an Island against their will
This is foolish.
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