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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:25 pm to
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How much Russian propaganda do you think Ukrainians are getting, honestly? And they are buying it despite what they are seeing with their own eyes? Are they dumb?


Zelensky has a 41% overall approval rating... that's the new reality for National leaders in this day and age.

He has a 60% approval rating for how he's handling the war. That's probably better than most wartime leaders...

that's what I saw from polls in stories from 7 days ago, if you guys have some more up to date things
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:36 pm to
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Medicare and Social Security are driving America into financial ruin. Aid to Ukraine isn't a penny on the dollar of our problems.


Social Security is not driving America to financial ruin, not at this point, anyway... why do you believe that?

The fund - independently funded by the payroll tax - is always "headed towards insolvency" in projections because the American population is older and not producing as many babies who go on to be workers paying into the system... but it never reaches that point, because young people from everywhere will doa anything they can to come here, get jobs, and pay into the system. America's actual demographic profile is always healthy because of immigration.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:38 pm to
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All of the clueless people act like satellite recon has to be CIA or military when there are plenty of private providers with their own satellites than just Google Earth or Google satellite view.


College students in geospatial programs have access to imagery so good that you can see a pencil sitting on the dashboard of a car
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:39 pm to
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Medicare and Social Security are driving America into financial ruin. Aid to Ukraine isn't a penny on the dollar of our problems.



Ever heard of a hypothetical?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:44 pm to
Assad is in Russia... allowing Russia to keep military bases seems like the absolute dumbest call I can imagine...
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:47 pm to
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What is interesting is, in a thread where intense vitriol focuses on presumptions that Russia is attempting to rebuild it's old empire, that any of the same folks would query the irony of regimes being supported for creating and defending similar empires.


I do think that dynamic is interesting.

Putin will occasionally make comments glorifying aspects of the USSR or other iterations of Russian imperialism. But some of us won't ask ourselves if maybe he is just tapping into the same thing the "Make America Great Again" message taps into... nostalgia for a time when the country was great/powerful. We don't really think anything of it when Trump says it.

There are products all over Russia that use USSR iconography. Just look at the logo for CSKA Moscow, for instance

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:50 pm to
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Zelensky has a 41% overall approval rating... that's the new reality for National leaders in this day and age.

He has a 60% approval rating for how he's handling the war. That's probably better than most wartime leaders...


That's what I'm getting at. He isn't really polling that bad, so why would those numbers be indicative of any propaganda? Though he is in real danger of being ousted electorally whenever the next election is.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 1:57 pm to
Where is this one million deaths coming from?

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:04 pm to
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Ever heard of a hypothetical?


Not even close in financial burden to be considered at all. But the likes of Tucker, Rogan, etc... are nothing but Chicken Littles about cost.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:04 pm to
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allowing Russia to keep military bases seems like the absolute dumbest call I can imagine...


Look at it from the point of view of HTS. Russia helped Assad because it was beneficial to them, not necessarily because they were just massive fans of the guy. For them, it was a business transaction. And even when they didn't have to, they took him in when he was likely about to be drug through the streets and who knows what else would have happened to him (and deservedly so).

The west is almost assuredly making all kinds of promises to HTS and welcoming them with open arms. They have seen how that story ends though. And in a little over a month the US is about to have a president whose foreign policy is likely to be very different from what it is today.

For an Islamic state, Russia is going to be a far more reliable partner. The US and our allies will almost always take the side of an issue that benefits Israel, and there will likely be times in the future where that will not benefit Syria.

Russia also will likely offer to help them consolidate power through direct force at some point, and that is something I can't really see the US doing.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:06 pm to
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Not even close in financial burden to be considered at all. But the likes of Tucker, Rogan, etc... are nothing but Chicken Littles about cost.



You just don't fricking get it dude

I was asking that to see if he really meant that the things he listed were his only no-goes. He clarified that they weren't. It isnt any deeper than that.

No one is suggesting this war will actually make us go broke. Tucker isn't hiding in the backseat of your car waiting to whisper propaganda in your ear.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:19 pm to
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That's what I'm getting at. He isn't really polling that bad, so why would those numbers be indicative of any propaganda? Though he is in real danger of being ousted electorally whenever the next election is.


People probably tire of whoever is in office that long, no matter the circumstance... the Ukrainian public's views on how to resolve the war, predictably, vary on location: the people closer to the Western border are more open to ceding land... the people whose land would be ceded are against ceding land.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:42 pm to
A Russian scientist known for developing cruise missiles has been found shot dead in a snowy wooded area near Moscow.

Ukraine’s intelligence service claimed that it had assassinated Mikhail Shatsky, the deputy director of a Moscow-based ballistics engineering unit.

“Anyone who is involved in the development of the Russian military-industrial complex and support of Russian aggression in Ukraine one way or another is a legitimate target,” a Ukrainian defence source told the Kyiv Independent.


A blurb on Yahoo news.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 2:59 pm to
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A Russian scientist known for developing cruise missiles has been found shot dead in a snowy wooded area near Moscow.


Now this is Mossad-like tactics... but I'd have to think partisan Russian groups are the trigger people
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 3:13 pm to
Russia's primary strategic interest in the Middle East is going to be to support their Iranian allies -- and Russia and Iran are now closer than ever. There is no universe where HTS and Iran end up as buddies, and there's a and there's a good chance that Iran will try to undermine the new Syrian government, because Iran will want to reestablish its connection with Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 4:27 pm to
ANALYSIS: Russia Could Test Launch Oreshnik Missile Friday Morning – NOTAM

Multiple Notices to Airmen (NOTAMs) issued by Russia, alongside US warnings, indicate that Moscow might soon conduct a “test launch” of its new “Oreshnik” missile again.

Moscow could launch its “Oreshnik” intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) on Friday morning, potentially against Ukraine, based on multiple Notices to Airmen (NOTAMs) issued by Russian authorities in recent days.

On Tuesday, Dec. 10, Russia issued a NOTAM numbered N2201/24, valid between 8 a.m. and noon coordinated universal time (UTC) on Friday, Dec. 13, over the same “Kapustin Yar” test site used for its last “Oreshnik” strike against Ukraine’s Dnipro on Nov. 21.

The Kyiv Post
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26468 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 4:34 pm to
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College students in geospatial programs have access to imagery so good that you can see a pencil sitting on the dashboard of a car


Keyhole satellites can do that. The drawback is that it's like looking at a room through a microscope. It provides great detail but a very narrow view.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138784 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 4:34 pm to
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Zelenskyy the butcher
That is unfair.

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Biden the butcher.

Boris the butcher.

Both bequeath more resonance, with the bonus of Biden, Boris, butcher alliteration
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 4:38 pm
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41301 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 4:58 pm to
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Zelensky has a 41% overall approval rating... that's the new reality for National leaders in this day and age.


It’s definitely much higher than that. You’re just peddling Russia propaganda for Putin.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 12/12/24 at 5:06 pm to
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