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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:28 pm to
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 4:28 pm to
It's not some made up American conspiracy... It's been written about by publications all over the world. Jawad al-Malikiv and several other Iraqi legislatures spoke about this issue on record

I wouldn't say for sure that the slanted drilling occured but it was definitely one of the surrounding talking points between Kuwait and Iraq before and after the invasion.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26468 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:39 pm to
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Of course, Trump negotiated our withdrawal WITH THE TALIBAN!!! Something you guys seem to pretend didn't happen unless you're claiming he's a tough guy for threatening to kill their leader if he killed any Americans. Fact is Trump handed Afghanistan back to The Taliban, which was dying out before that...


Trump's plan was to entice the Taliban into the government peacefully, not to have them be the government. Biden did the cut and run thing stupidly in the middle of Taliban fighting season.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:40 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 5:52 pm to
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I wouldn't say for sure that the slanted drilling occured but it was definitely one of the surrounding talking points between Kuwait and Iraq before and after the invasion.


Still the same MEH. Yes it had been available for several decades, that how wells at Huntington Beach, CA were drilled in the 1940, out under the Pacific Ocean.

Still just a wild claim with ZERO evidence, just like Sy Hersh, Tucker the Stupid Phucker and all the clueless podcasters and leftist political pundits regarding Nordstream.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 6:03 pm to
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2866 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:27 pm to
This map of the various factions of Syria in the ISW link basically foretells Syria's future - endless fighting between ever changing factions.

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:44 pm to
ISW Update Dec 10

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Key Takeaways:

Russia's force posture around Syria continues to reflect the Kremlin's current cautious and indecisive response to the fall of Bashar al Assad's regime.

Russia intends to supply North Korea with fighter jets amid a growing military partnership between the two countries.

Russian President Vladimir Putin met with Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh in Moscow on December 10 as India continues efforts to balance military technical cooperation with Russia and maintain good relations with key Western allies.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced in the Vuhledar direction, and Russian forces recently advanced in Kursk and Kharkiv oblasts and in the Svatove, Toretsk, Pokrovsk, Kurakhove, Vuhledar, and Velyka Novosilka directions.

The Russian government continues efforts to formalize irregular Russian military units and veterans from the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics army corps (DNR and LNR ACs) and formally integrate them under the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).

Russia continues to utilize Western-produced high-tech components in Russian weapons systems despite Western sanctions against Russia and cobelligerent states.

A Russian insider source who has previously correctly predicted command changes within the Russian MoD claimed on December 9 that Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted the Russian Deputy Defense Minister, Pavel Fradkov, to the rank of Major General.


Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 12/10/24 at 10:49 pm to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:34 am to
US mediated ceasefire between SNA and SDF
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Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:45 am to
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WTF was he thinking?


April Glaspie told him that the US had no interest in his dispute with Kuwait.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:16 am to
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Meh, this smacks of James Baker telling Gorbie that no NATO expansion, yet Gorbie has stated that never happened, he only asked that no US bases in former East Germany which Baker said okay.
You've been misled.
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... according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (LINK

The documents show that multiple national leaders were considering and rejecting Central and Eastern European membership in NATO as of early 1990 and through 1991, that discussions of NATO in the context of German unification negotiations in 1990 were not at all narrowly limited to the status of East German territory, and that subsequent Soviet and Russian complaints about being misled about NATO expansion were founded in written contemporaneous memcons and telcons at the highest levels.

The documents reinforce former CIA Director Robert Gates’s criticism of “pressing ahead with expansion of NATO eastward [in the 1990s], when Gorbachev and others were led to believe that wouldn’t happen.”[1] The key phrase, buttressed by the documents, is “led to believe.”

President George H.W. Bush had assured Gorbachev during the Malta summit in December 1989 that the U.S. would not take advantage (“I have not jumped up and down on the Berlin Wall”) of the revolutions in Eastern Europe to harm Soviet interests; but neither Bush nor Gorbachev at that point (or for that matter, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl) expected so soon the collapse of East Germany or the speed of German unification.[2]
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But inside the U.S. government, a different discussion continued, a debate about relations between NATO and Eastern Europe. Opinions differed, but the suggestion from the Defense Department as of October 25, 1990 was to leave “the door ajar” for East European membership in NATO. (See Document 27) The view of the State Department was that NATO expansion was not on the agenda, because it was not in the interest of the U.S. to organize “an anti-Soviet coalition” that extended to the Soviet borders, not least because it might reverse the positive trends in the Soviet Union. (See Document 26) The Bush administration took the latter view. And that’s what the Soviets heard.

George Washington Univ - Nat'l Security Archive
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:30 am to
Expanding NATO is a fools errand.

The NATO nuts/neocons would have loved to see Ukraine and Georgia in and then their ultimate goal was to potentially expand through the "stans" to envelope Russia. Their goal is to breakup Russia. These fools will never give up on that dream.

What has Ukraine gained from this except death and destruction/total loss? The west has used Ukraine. It is immoral for this war to continue. Ukraine has no hope of winning and it gets worse for them day by day.

Why do we see all this hate for Russia? Why don't we see this type hatred toward the CCP/China?
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 7:41 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5643 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:35 am to
Ukraine's General Staff confirms strike on Russian oil depot in Bryansk region
11.12.2024 10:55

The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has confirmed a strike on an oil depot in Russia's Bryansk region.

The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported this on Facebook, according to Ukrinform.

On the night of December 10-11, units of the Unmanned Systems Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Ukrainian Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Directorate struck the Bryansk oil depot. This is a loading point for the Druzhba oil pipeline, which plays a critical role in the reception, storage, distribution, and shipment of diesel fuel to tanker trucks and rail transport. It is actively used to supply the Russian army.

Ukrinform
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:41 am to
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Still just a wild claim with ZERO evidence, just like Sy Hersh, Tucker the Stupid Phucker and all the clueless podcasters and leftist political pundits regarding Nordstream.


You still believe the party line on that?

LINK

Zelensky himself approved the plan

Were you hoping people just forgot about the news dump in August where they pretty much confirmed those stories were mostly true?
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:45 am to
These fools are brainwashed. They lap up all of the propaganda that our evil government throws at them.

They are willing to fight this out until the last Ukrainian is dead.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 7:48 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:59 am to
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Meh, this smacks of James Baker telling Gorbie that no NATO expansion, yet Gorbie has stated that never happened, he only asked that no US bases in former East Germany which Baker said okay.
You've been misled.


I think its clear the issue is muddier than most would have you believe.

But also its relevance is hit or miss to current day. We've already expanded east. I don't think adding Ukraine is breaking some radical new ground that we haven't already crossed. I think the best course of action in terms of discussion on the issue is focusing on the merits of admitting Ukraine or not, not debating whether or not we promised the Russians anything (because its not in writing).

To me, there are far more negatives than positives for Ukraine's NATO admittance. Its unnecessarily antagonistic, and we can still choose to defend (or not defend) Ukraine based on the circumstances in the future whether they are in NATO or not.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5643 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:31 am to
Russian-occupied Abkhazia left without electricity due to hydroelectric station shutdown

by Martin Fornusek
December 11, 2024 2:49 PM

Georgia's Russian-occupied region of Abkhazia lost all electricity supply due to the shutdown of the only power station supplying energy to the region, Russian state news agency TASS reported on Dec. 11, citing an Abkhaz energy company.

The Enguri hydroelectric power station, partially located in Abkhazia, stopped working on Dec. 11 due to critically low water levels in a nearby reservoir.

The region has recently faced energy shortages aggravated by a growing spat with its Russian patrons. Moscow has cut almost all funding, including money crucial for the energy sector, after Abkhazia's local council voted against a controversial investment agreement with Russia.

The full-blown energy crisis came even though the Abkhaz authorities appealed to Russia for assistance on Dec. 6.

Russia has occupied Abkhazia and South Ossetia after a war with Tbilisi in 2008, backing local breakaway leadership. Both regions are internationally recognized as Georgia's sovereign soil.

Tensions arose between Moscow and Abkhazia in November following protests against a law that would permit Russians to purchase property in Abkhazia. The demonstrations culminated in the resignation of the region's head, Aslan Bzhania, and the local council voting down the law on Dec. 3.

Three days later, the Abkhaz authorities announced that nearly all Russian funding had ceased, save for pension payments.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5643 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:21 am to
Maher is the brother of Bashar Assad
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This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 9:22 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42603 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:31 am to
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They are willing to fight this out until the last Ukrainian is dead.


None of us have any say so. None of us are fighting. Some of us want Russia to be humiliated to the point that they have to quit fighting and go home. Others just want the fighting to stop now and let the chips fall where they may. Others want Russia to win no matter what it takes.

What do you want and why do you care what I want?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41298 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:54 am to
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Others want Russia to win no matter what it takes.


Literally nobody here wants this. You are full of shite.
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