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Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:09 am to cypher
quote:There are some reports that this strike was the first use of Ukraine's new Peklo Cruise Missile. This missile uses a 'JetCat P400', a commercially available gas turbine produced for remote control model airplanes. This is able to give it a 700km range at a top speed of 700km/hr (438mph). Payload remains confidential but for targets such as oil depots, refineries and ammo dumps, it doesn't have to be large.
Ukraine's General Staff confirms strike on Russian oil depot in Bryansk region
11.12.2024 10:55
The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has confirmed a strike on an oil depot in Russia's Bryansk region.
The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported this on Facebook, according to Ukrinform.
On the night of December 10-11, units of the Unmanned Systems Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Ukrainian Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Directorate struck the Bryansk oil depot. This is a loading point for the Druzhba oil pipeline, which plays a critical role in the reception, storage, distribution, and shipment of diesel fuel to tanker trucks and rail transport. It is actively used to supply the Russian army.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:10 am to doubleb
Ukraine supposedly sent UAVs and drone operators to aid insurgents in Syria – WP
Anastasia Protz — Wednesday, 11 December 2024, 14:20
Washington Post reports that Ukrainian intelligence handed over drones and operators to the Syrian rebels of the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) group, which toppled Bashar al-Assad's regime on 8 December, to threaten Russian interests in the region.
Source: Washington Post, citing its own sources
Details: Washington Post's sources report that about 4-5 weeks ago, Ukrainian intelligence sent about 20 experienced drone operators and about 150 First Person View (FPV) drones to the rebel headquarters in Syria's Idlib.
Washington Post states that the aid of the Ukrainian military played a minor role in the downing of President Bashar al-Assad's regime. However, it is seen as an important element of Ukraine's broader strategy of conducting covert attacks against Russian operations in various parts of the world, including the Middle East, Africa, and even within Russia itself.
Ukrainska Pravda
Anastasia Protz — Wednesday, 11 December 2024, 14:20
Washington Post reports that Ukrainian intelligence handed over drones and operators to the Syrian rebels of the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) group, which toppled Bashar al-Assad's regime on 8 December, to threaten Russian interests in the region.
Source: Washington Post, citing its own sources
Details: Washington Post's sources report that about 4-5 weeks ago, Ukrainian intelligence sent about 20 experienced drone operators and about 150 First Person View (FPV) drones to the rebel headquarters in Syria's Idlib.
Washington Post states that the aid of the Ukrainian military played a minor role in the downing of President Bashar al-Assad's regime. However, it is seen as an important element of Ukraine's broader strategy of conducting covert attacks against Russian operations in various parts of the world, including the Middle East, Africa, and even within Russia itself.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:33 am to Stinger_1066
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April Glaspie told him that the US had no interest in his dispute with Kuwait.
Correct, but she was just repeating what Bush and Baker had instructed her to tell him. The history of both of these individuals is littered with the constant need for scapegoats. Glaspie was the victim du jure.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:23 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
he documents show that multiple national leaders were considering and rejecting Central and Eastern European membership in NATO as of early 1990 and through 1991,
It's not so much that NATO wanted to push into Eastern Europe as Eastern Europe and the Baltics craved to live under NATO's umbrella so they never had to suffer Russian subjugation again.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:31 am to Auburn1968
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It's not so much that NATO wanted to push into Eastern Europe as Eastern Europe and the Baltics craved to live under NATO's umbrella so they never had to suffer Russian subjugation again.
Poland, Hungary and the first ex Warsaw Pact counties didn’t join NATO until 1999. There was no NATO rush to admit these nations.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:48 am to doubleb
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Poland, Hungary and the first ex Warsaw Pact counties didn’t join NATO until 1999. There was no NATO rush to admit these nations.
They applied for NATO almost immediately. It takes that long to be approved and admitted to NATO. It is not an instant application and acceptance sort of thing. One thing a nation has to do is prove that it can carrying its own weight and actually contribute.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:53 am to CitizenK
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One thing a nation has to do is prove that it can carrying its own weight and actually contribute.
What countries actually contribute?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:55 pm to CitizenK
quote:
Kurds control the oil/gas fields in Syria
This has changed in the last two days and is no longer true. Kurds still control the largest oilfield, but Dier ez Zor is now under HTS control, and the 2nd-largest oilfield with it.
The Arabs in the area accepted being governed by Kurds ... when the alternative was ISIS or the Assad regime. But they believe that they have a better option now.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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You've been misled.
But all of this is with "The Soviet Union."
The Soviet Union dissolved and a new Russian Republic was born. It did not share the same security concerns of the Soviet Union, or so it claimed.
It doesn't make sense to me why they should care if NATO expands... unless it thwarts their plans for expansion.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:34 pm to doubleb
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Sure they are here. Some say it’s to save the US money; while a few are Putin backers. You can’t see that?
Then say who they are and let people judge for themselves.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:41 pm to Lee B
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It doesn't make sense to me why they should care if NATO expands
Russia and NATO members don't align philosophically. I don't think its very difficult to see why Russia would prefer to be neighbors with a bunch of weak, isolated countries vs a unified block backed by competing countries even if they didn't have expansionist goals.
And don't get it twisted, even if Russia weren't expansionist we would not want them to succeed as a country, and likely won't ever want them to. Every country has a ceiling in terms of geopolitical potential, and Russia's is quite high compared to most countries. We worked with them during the collapse to assure things went as smoothly as they could at the time (and because we had to know where the nukes were going), but we quickly (and rightly, btw) put our boot back on their neck.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:50 pm to VolSquatch
Austria just unilaterally ended its contract with Gazprom, accusing the Russians of violating the contract.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:52 pm to VolSquatch
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nd don't get it twisted, even if Russia weren't expansionist we would not want them to succeed as a country, and likely won't ever want them to.
I kind of disagree... we want countries to succeed, but be wrapped up in "US" to the extent that they are ultimately subservient. China is an example... and before Xi we were happy with how they were coming along, but he wants to be the Master in the relationship versus the servant. And the same with Russia under Yeltsin... Putin is who made us take a different tact, and even then we gave him too much of the benefit of the doubt for a few years.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:21 pm to CitizenK
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They applied for NATO almost immediately. It takes that long to be approved and admitted to NATO. It is not an instant application and acceptance sort of thing
Exactly, but if you read what Putin apologists write, you would think NATO orchestrated a mad dash to enroll these countries when the fact is it took almost ten years for sone of them to get accepted.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:26 pm to VolSquatch
[quote]Then say who they are and let people judge for themselves.[/quote
You need my help again?
You need my help again?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:37 pm to doubleb
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doubleb
Nah, you've just done this bullshite routine before and would never actually say who it is. Maybe the South Korean president learned from reading your posts on here how to make up this supposed threat and never actually identify it. You going to declare board martial law next?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 2:56 pm to VolSquatch
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Nah, you've just done this bullshite routine before and would never actually say who it is.
Aren’t the owners of the board against calling out posters by name? I believe they are.
And your act of calling out all pro Ukraine posters and ignoring posters who aren’t pro Ukraine is an old and tired one.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:02 pm to Lee B
quote:NATO is the most powerful military alliance on the planet. It is juxtaposed against Russian interests. Now the latter fact may not bother you or me, but Russia has made it crystal clear it bothers them.
It doesn't make sense to me why they should care if NATO expands...
Gorbachev expressed interest in joining NATO. No offer was extended. Putin expressed interest in joining NATO. No offer was extended. Yeltsin expressed interest in closer economic relations with the EU. Instead, those things have been offered to lesser countries. Meanwhile NATO, an unfriendly military alliance in Russian estimation, is attempting to encroach on Russia
Posted on 12/11/24 at 3:18 pm to doubleb
quote:
Aren’t the owners of the board against calling out posters by name? I believe they are.
Posters call out other posters literally all the time
quote:
ignoring posters who aren’t pro Ukraine is an old and tired one.
Fake narrative
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