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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:42 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:42 pm to
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To keep Iran's ally in power


We should be supporting Assad
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:05 pm to
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:06 pm to
Where would Russian ships go? They are combatants so Turkey should refuse them access to the Black Sea.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:11 pm to
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Where would Russian ships go?


Maybe one of the Baltic Fleet ports. Just a guess.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:18 pm to
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Where would Russian ships go? They are combatants so Turkey should refuse them access to the Black Sea.


I was just about to ask this...
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:27 pm to
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We should be supporting Assad


There is no way a totalitarian dictator can stay in control of that country... murdering his own people doesn't work after a certain point.

By that same token, this is all very strange because Erdogan himself is a dictator and is probably ultimately not that different from Putin, in his wish to rebuild the Ottoman Empire.

That's why the Kurds are such a threat to everybody else in this situation... and the Kurds should be who we are the most loyal to and allied with... the French and British screwed them out of their own country (reneged on a promise) and doomed them to be an oppressed minority spread across Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran and now present-day Armenia. They are the most dependably secular and democratic-minded people in the region.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 8:36 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:41 pm to
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Tucker has done more to stop this war than ANY politician in the Biden/Harris “administration”.


Yet was amazed by a loaf of bread that could be found in almost any WalMart. Also, amazed at the amount of groceries he purchased, not realizing that food for one person for a week in the USA is what has to feed a family of 4 in Russia.

Only stupid people buy what he sells.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:46 pm to
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We should be supporting Assad


Ya’ll are.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:21 pm to
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They're killing our jihadists




Truth
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:37 am to
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Sad news for you forever war types. Looks like your narrative is continuing to crumble.



FWIW not wanting someone to run again isn't the same as saying you wouldn't vote for them (the headline just says "prefer not to run")

Just for example this was from April 2023

quote:

Driving the LINK to a new NBCNews poll, 70% of Americans believe Biden should not run for re-election, with 51% of Democrats saying that. (The poll was taken before Biden officially announced his re-election bid).

Meanwhile, 60% of Americans, including a third of Republicans, say Trump, 76, should not run for president



LINK

Not saying the take away in and of itself is incorrect, but on the surface this appears a bit off without seeing the whole article.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 12:51 am to
ISW Update Dec 3rd

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Key Takeaways:

Russia is evacuating naval assets from its base in Tartus, Syria, which may suggest that Russia does not intend to send significant reinforcements to support Syrian President Bashar al Assad's regime in the near term.

The US announced additional military assistance worth $725 million for Ukraine on December 2.

Russian officials continue to perpetuate information operations about prisoner-of-war (POW) exchanges in order to portray Ukraine as unwilling to negotiate and to undermine Ukrainians' trust in their government.

India is reportedly attempting to decouple its defense industry from Russia as it increases cooperation with Western defense companies and builds up its own defense industrial base (DIB).

Ukrainian forces recently advanced in Kursk Oblast and regained lost positions near Kupyansk. Russian forces recently advanced near Toretsk, Pokrovsk, and Velyka Novosilka.

Russian forces reportedly continued to suffer significant personnel and armored vehicle losses throughout November 2024 as they attempted to maintain intensified offensive operations in eastern Ukraine.


Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:10 am to
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Sure it’s very different, one is a measurement of area and the other is a measurement of distance.


And the measure of distance is probably the absolute dumbest way of looking at it, since "losing" 10km of the line that you backed out of on your own volition due to it being not worth defending and too costly to do so even if you tried looks worse than gaining 1km because you're just looking at the distances, even if that 1km was the most fortified position on the front, a transportation hub, or whatever else.

And those numbers exclude them retaking territory they lost, which is a pretty large investment for Russia right now.

Russia has been fine with a war of attrition for years now. Given this isn't some all out assault on the level of the failed Ukraine summer offensive, it seems to me like this is just Russia ramping up aggression while continuing the attrition tactics amid manpower shortages for Ukraine.

I know the bots will screech about how Ukraine is fixing those, but until they actually do it (which isn't as much of a given as they claim) thats what is going on right now.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:17 am to
Erdogan would be worse than Putin if he had the power and resources that Putin does IMO.

Putin also has (or had) the advantage that he can make some territorial gains that the west will get mad about because they come at the expense of smaller, not very relevant countries, but usually the west won't get mad enough to actually do anything substantial in terms of consequences for him.

If Erdogan had the resources to expand, where can he really go that wouldn't spark a geopolitical clusterfrick?
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26468 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:26 am to
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The trade war is heating up


Good reason to break the roadblocks on domestic mining.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:32 am to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 3:28 pm to
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That's why the Kurds are such a threat to everybody else in this situation... and the Kurds should be who we are the most loyal to and allied with


The Kurds are always fighting with each other and betraying each other.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:04 pm to
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The Kurds are always fighting with each other and betraying each other.


Depends on the sect of Kurds, one is anti Turkey. Not the same as involved in the Pershmerga which was beating ISIS a decade ago.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:30 pm to
Syria update.

HTS is reaching out to the various sects in Syria . There was a similar message for the Kurds. Seems to be a "Syria First" message. Assad better hope the messaging fails.

Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 4:41 pm to
CIA has stirred up our jihadists again.

Three aspects/assurances of US foreign policy you can count on:

1. We will bribe you
2. If that doesn't work we will bully you.
3. If that doesn't work we will bomb you.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 4:43 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 5:15 pm to
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CIA has stirred up our jihadists again.

Three aspects/assurances of US foreign policy you can count on:

1. We will bribe you
2. If that doesn't work we will bully you.
3. If that doesn't work we will bomb you.


You must be channeling that know nothing except internet law, Mike Benz.
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