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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/28/24 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 1:32 pm to


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US tells Ukraine to lower conscription age to 18 to stem manpower shortage


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Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 2:15 pm to
Your link doesn’t work
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 3:21 pm to
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Russia will now allow Ukraine to join EU or NATO.


Putin's cuck, Orban would vote no on either
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:11 pm to
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Putin's cuck, Orban would vote no on either


The EU has ways of forcing the matter, and I am confident that they can be successful. Ukraine's membership in the EU is the key to its long-term economic success.

NATO is a different ballgame, and it simply won't happen. It was incredibly difficult to get Sweden and Finland in, and there weren't even any good objections to them.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:39 pm to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:50 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:20 pm to
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Confirmed: Russian forces evacuate the airbase in Tal Rifaat in the northern countryside of Aleppo, Syria.
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:11 pm to
I think that you are probably right. It's a damn mess. Reminds me of a term that I remember from Vietnam: Quagmire. Trump has been left with a mess.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 9:50 pm to
Females are the key to population growth. A male cans sire a thousand children.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 1:00 am to
ISW Uodate Nov 27th (which i don't think i posted)

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces continue to leverage Western-provided weapons to conduct strikes using more complex strike packages against military objects in Russia's deep rear.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev met in Astana on November 27 and signed a joint statement deepening the Russian-Kazakh strategic partnership within the framework of Russia's efforts to establish a "new world order."

The Russian military command may have imposed controversial restrictions on the use of personal vehicles by Russian volunteers delivering military and humanitarian aid to Russian troops on the frontlines, likely as part of an ongoing force centralization effort.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced within Toretsk, and Russian forces recently advanced in the Pokrovsk and Kurakhove directions, and within the main Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast.

The Kremlin continues to promote the "Time of Heroes" program that aims to militarize the Russian government at the local, regional, and federal levels as a way to prevent the return of "Afghan syndrome" in Russia.




Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 1:04 am to
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Lima Whiskey


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President Joe Biden’s administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of those as young as 18.

A senior Biden administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private consultations, said Wednesday that the outgoing Democratic administration wants Ukraine to lower the mobilization age to 18 from the current age of 25 to expand the pool of fighting-age men available to help a badly outnumbered Ukraine in its nearly three-year-old war with Russia.

The official said “the pure math” of Ukraine’s situation now is that it needs more troops in the fight. Currently Ukraine is not mobilizing or training enough soldiers to replace its battlefield losses while keeping pace with Russia’s growing military, the official added.

The White House has pushed more than $56 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the start of Russia’s February 2022 invasion and expects to send billions more to Kyiv before Biden leaves office in less than months.


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But with time running out, the Biden White House is also sharpening its viewpoint that Ukraine has the weaponry it needs and now must dramatically increase its troop levels if it’s going to stay in the fight with Russia.

White House National Security Council spokesman Sean Savett in a statement said the administration will continue sending Ukraine weaponry but believes “manpower is the most vital need” Ukraine has at the moment.


“So, we’re also ready to ramp up our training capacity if they take appropriate steps to fill out their ranks,” Savett said.

The Ukrainians have said they need about 160,000 additional troops to keep up with its battlefield needs, but the U.S. administration believes they probably will need more than that.

More than 1 million Ukrainians are now in uniform, including the National Guard and other units.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has been hearing concerns from allies in other Western capitals as well that Ukraine has a troop level problem and not an arms problem, according to European officials who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive diplomatic conversations.

The European allies have stressed that the lack of depth means that it may soon become untenable for Ukraine to continue to operate in Russia’s Kursk border region. The situation in Kursk has become further complicated by the arrival of thousands of North Korean troops, who have come to help Moscow try to claw back the land seized in a Ukrainian incursion this year.

The stepped-up push on Ukraine to strengthen its fighting ranks comes as Ukraine braces for President-elect Donald Trump to take office on Jan. 20. The Republican said he would bring about a swift end to the war and has raised uncertainty about whether his administration would continue the vital U.S. military support for Ukraine.

“There are no easy answers to Ukraine’s serious manpower shortage, but lowering the draft age would help,” said Bradley Bowman, senior director of the Center on Military and Political Power at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. “These are obviously difficult decisions for a government and society that has already endured so much due to Russia’s invasion.”

Ukraine has taken steps to broaden the pool of draft-eligible men, but the efforts have only scratched the surface against a much larger Russian military.

In April, Ukraine’s parliament passed a series of laws, including one lowering its draft-eligible age for men from 27 to 25, aimed at broadening the universe of men who could be called on to join the grinding war.

Those laws also did away with some draft exemptions and created an online registry for recruits. They were expected to add about 50,000 troops, far short of what Zelenskyy said at the time was needed.

Zelenskyy has consistently stated that he has no plans to lower the mobilization age. A senior Ukrainian official, who was not authorized to comment publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said Ukraine does not have enough equipment to match the scale of its ongoing mobilization efforts.

The official said Ukrainian officials see the push to the lower the draft age as part of an effort by some Western partners to deflect attention from their own delays in providing equipment or belated decisions. The official cited as an example the delay in giving Ukraine permission to use longer-range weapons to strike deeper into Russian territory.

The Ukrainians do not see lowering the draft age to recruit more soldiers as a substitute for countering Russia’s advantage in equipment and weaponry, the official said.

Conscription has been a sensitive matter in Ukraine throughout the war. Russia’s own problems with adequate troop levels and planning early in the war prevented Moscow from taking full advantage of its edge. But the tide has shifted and the U.S. says the Ukrainian shortage can no longer be overlooked.

Some Ukrainians have expressed worry that further lowering the minimum conscription age and taking more young adults out of the workforce could backfire by further harming the war-ravaged economy.

The senior Biden administration official added that the administration believes that Ukraine can also optimize its current force by more aggressively dealing with soldiers who desert or go absent without leave.

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:37 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
29 November 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

On 21 November 2024 Russia targeted a Ukrainian munitions factory in Dnipro with the first ever operational use of an intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM), codenamed Oreshnik. An IRBM is classified as having a maximum range of between 3,000-5,500km. In this instance, the missile only travelled just over 800km to its target.

Russia announced its withdrawal from the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty in February 2019, which banned the development and production of IRBMs. However, the development of Oreshnik almost certainly occurred before this. The system is highly likely a variant of the Rubezh RS-26 ballistic missile, which was first tested in 2011.

The missile payload was observed as six groups of six warheads, for a total of 36 submunitions. These submunitions travel at hypersonic speeds (greater than Mach 5) before impact, as is typical for a missile of this class. All IRBM and intercontinental ballistic missile warheads will travel at hypersonic speeds when re-entering the atmosphere.

The use of this experimental system against Ukraine was almost certainly intended as strategic messaging following the use by Ukraine of Western missiles into Russia. Russia highly likely only has a handful of Oreshnik missiles, which are yet to enter serial production. This missile is highly likely to be far more expensive than other missiles Russia is currently using against Ukraine.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:44 am to
Shitlib, Neocon and Chickenhawk hero Alexander Vindmann is a traitor.

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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:45 am to
Former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba believes that Georgia in November 2024 is a mirror image of Ukraine in November 2013.

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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:07 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:49 am to
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On another note, there are lots of videos on the internet right now showing dead Russian troops in Syria today, as a result of the rebels attack on Syrian/Russian positions near Aleppo. Hezbullah/Iran/Assad now look weak, and that's bad news for Russia in the region.


Rebels have taken Aleppo. Wow. Without support from Hezbullah, Assad is so weak. The incredible speed at which Aleppo has fallen is very bad news for Assad. I wonder if the Russian military base at Latakia becomes endangered.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:35 am to
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a forced delay of Ukraine becoming a NATO member


Why would anyone want this? Why is it even still being discussed?

They are a net negative to the alliance. A pure liability


If Ukraine joined NATO they would have the 2nd largest military in NATO and they would be the only NATO member with recent total war experience.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:36 am to
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Oh the Ukraine haters are not going to like that.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:52 am to
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Russia may have just lost another warship to a nation without a navy.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:00 am to
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