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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:20 am to VolSquatch
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:20 am to VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:37 am to CitizenK
quote:
ZeroHedge target market is incels and why Tyler Durden is always the author.
(Proceeds to upvote daily briefing from Bill Kristol's Institute for the Study of War)
Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:48 am to VolSquatch
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We have effectively choked Cuba out of any chance it had of becoming a prosperous country though. Even just making American tourism more open/accessible would be a game changer for the Cuban economy. If we had open relations there would also be trade, and likely American investment in the country (though it would have to be in cooperation with their government).
I think we are stuck in the 1960's-70's in regards to Cuban relations. Its time. Selfishly I also just want to be able to take the boat down there more easily
It takes two to tango.
Cuba chose the path they took, communism. Yes, we tried to get them to change, but they wouldn’t.
Investment would be very risky, the govt. confiscated all the businesses once already.
My question is why do Cubans tolerate their govt. They do, and obviously we can’t change that.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:52 am to VolSquatch
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The thing people in this thread refuse to admit is that it was a legitimate provocation, but that does not make this a legitimate invasion.
I do not take issue with this paragraph, but some here defend the war and the invasion. I’m happy to see that you are one of the ones that do not.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 10:29 am to doubleb
quote:
It takes two to tango.
Cuba chose the path they took, communism. Yes, we tried to get them to change, but they wouldn’t.
Investment would be very risky, the govt. confiscated all the businesses once already.
That was a huge economic blow to the economy of New Orleans. It and Tampa were the two main points of trade with Cuba. Many a New Orleans investor lost lots of investment in Cuba. A huge nickel ore processing plant was built in Braithwaite a year or two before Cuba went commie. It sat idle until partially converted to catalyst manufacturing for Criterion, a subsidiary of Shell. It was finally demolished 20 years ago.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:38 am to VolSquatch
quote:Indeed
it was a legitimate provocation
quote:Correct.
that does not make this a legitimate invasion.
But it does establish it as avoidable.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:39 am to doubleb
quote:We tried by proxy, and failed.
But we never invaded.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:41 am to doubleb
quote:
t takes two to tango.
Cuba chose the path they took, communism. Yes, we tried to get them to change, but they wouldn’t.
We get all kinds of stuff from Vietnam and China. Have for a long time.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:42 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:Our naval blockade was a general act of war
Cuban Missile crisis
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You didn't think this one out...
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:46 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Correct.
But it does establish it as avoidable.
"Potentially" avoidable, but yes.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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But it does establish it as avoidable.
Not really.
Putin wanted Ukraine. Unless Ukraine just gave up Putin was going to take what he wanted.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:04 pm to VolSquatch
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We get all kinds of stuff from Vietnam and China. Have for a long time.
I wouldn’t be opposed to easing relationships with Cuba, but that’s an entirely different issue.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:04 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
We tried by proxy, and failed.
Actually we pulled the plug on that.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Our naval blockade was a general act of war
Against Cuba but not Russia.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:13 pm to doubleb
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I wouldn’t be opposed to easing relationships with Cuba, but that’s an entirely different issue.
I don't think its that different. You said it takes two to tango and referenced that they were a communist country. Them being a communist country doesn't mean we absolutely must have poor relations with them. Those policies were failures, hence why we don't have that policy toward communist countries anymore.
Open trade and try to make them more American. We just shut them out and yelled "be less communist".
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:29 pm to doubleb
quote:1962
Against Cuba but not Russia.
2022
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:31 pm to VolSquatch
quote:
I don't think its that different. You said it takes two to tango and referenced that they were a communist country. Them being a communist country doesn't mean we absolutely must have poor relations with them. Those policies were failures, hence why we don't have that policy toward communist countries anymore. Open trade and try to make them more American. We just shut them out and yelled "be less communist".
Take it to PT.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:35 pm to NC_Tigah
You are comparing our blockade of Cuba and Putin’s all out war against Ukraine???
It doesn’t add up. 140K or so killed, thousands more wounded, and millions displaced compare to what? Cubans driving 1958 Chevys????
It doesn’t add up. 140K or so killed, thousands more wounded, and millions displaced compare to what? Cubans driving 1958 Chevys????
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:56 pm to doubleb
quote:No.
You are comparing our blockade of Cuba and Putin’s all out war against Ukraine???
You probably missed how Cuba got injected in to this
quote:Just countering the claim we'd not interfere, using the same Cuba posit which was injected.
Post: NATO was playing "a game of marriage" with Ukraine. You think if Canada or Mexico were contemplating allying with Russia and/or China we'd not interfere?
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Response: uhhh... one word to answer your question... Cuba.
However, we made it crystal clear at the time, if the Soviets put us in a situation where we felt a threat from Cuba vis-a-vis the USSR, we would go to war. The warning was abided. Russia said the same to us in 2008 re: Ukraine. The warning was ignored.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 3:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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However, we made it crystal clear at the time, if the Soviets put us in a situation where we felt a threat from Cuba vis-a-vis the USSR, we would go to war
We told Russia no nukes in Cuba or else. We emphasized our position by blockading Cuba. We never quit negotiating and settled without a shot being fired.
Putin’s stooge undercut Ukraine’s efforts to join the EU and then NATO. The Ukrainian people threw the stooge out. Putin retaliated with a well planned takeover of Crimea and sending in more troops into the Donbas.
Was Ukraine ever close to getting into NATO? No. By your own admission you said the West was only dangling the carrot. They certainly weren’t close in 2014 when Russia initiated their invasion.
Russia was not being threatened.
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