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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:41 am to doubleb
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:41 am to doubleb
quote:I believe you chose the wrong word there. Regardless, any inference to that end was yours, not mine.
You inferred he did.
quote:"Conventional wisdom" would imply Ukrainian and Russian understanding of the game afoot. Yet, the actual level of either party's understanding is not clear at all. ei
You believe they were dangling the carrot. That was conventional wisdom, right?
E.g., Zelenskyy showed no indication of such insight. Who knows what the Russian's close-held analysis indicated. Their public position though insisted Ukraine was on a glideslope to NATO membership, and, as Russia had made clear for 15yrs, that was a glideslope to war.
Zelenskyy was somehow assured the Russians were not serious in their war threats. So he continued his incendiary push toward NATO membership. He was an inexperienced (and naive) leader at that juncture. He was also underestimated by both Russia and the West, accounting for the Russian surprise butt-kicking in the ensuing Kyiv Campaign when Boris Johnson was trying to get him to evacuate instead. His response, "I need ammunition, not a ride," was something no foriegner (East or West) anticipated.
Again, you and others here are all about blame and castigation. I'm about learning from history, so as not to repeat it.
Which begs the question:
Given 20-20 hindsight, how do you think this war could have been avoided?
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 6:51 am to NC_Tigah
Ukraine confirms strike on Russian airbase in North Caucasus housing Su-34, Su-27 jets
by Martin Fornusek and The Kyiv Independent news desk October 10, 2024 1:50 PM
Ukrainian forces carried out a successful strike against Russia's Khanskaya military airfield in the Adygea Republic, Ukraine's General Staff confirmed on Oct. 10.
The confirmation comes shortly after Adygea Republic authorities reported a drone attack against the region early on Oct. 10. The Russian Telegram news channel Astra wrote about explosions near the airfield the same morning.
"During the attack, 57 warplanes, trainer aircraft, and helicopters were based at the airfield. This included Su-34 and Su-35 jets and Mi-8 helicopters," a source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) told the Kyiv Independent. The General Staff also reported Su-27 fighter jets based at the airfield.
The operation was carried out in cooperation between the SBU, Ukraine's military intelligence agency (HUR), and the Special Operations Forces, according to the SBU source and the General Staff.
Citing satellite imagery, the Defense Express outlet gave a lower estimate on the number of aircraft based at the airfield. Satellite footage from Oct. 6 shows 12 aircraft of an unknown type stationed in the airbase, which is roughly the size of one tactical aviation squadron.
The Kyiv Independent
by Martin Fornusek and The Kyiv Independent news desk October 10, 2024 1:50 PM
Ukrainian forces carried out a successful strike against Russia's Khanskaya military airfield in the Adygea Republic, Ukraine's General Staff confirmed on Oct. 10.
The confirmation comes shortly after Adygea Republic authorities reported a drone attack against the region early on Oct. 10. The Russian Telegram news channel Astra wrote about explosions near the airfield the same morning.
"During the attack, 57 warplanes, trainer aircraft, and helicopters were based at the airfield. This included Su-34 and Su-35 jets and Mi-8 helicopters," a source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) told the Kyiv Independent. The General Staff also reported Su-27 fighter jets based at the airfield.
The operation was carried out in cooperation between the SBU, Ukraine's military intelligence agency (HUR), and the Special Operations Forces, according to the SBU source and the General Staff.
Citing satellite imagery, the Defense Express outlet gave a lower estimate on the number of aircraft based at the airfield. Satellite footage from Oct. 6 shows 12 aircraft of an unknown type stationed in the airbase, which is roughly the size of one tactical aviation squadron.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:23 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
I believe you chose the wrong word there. Regardless, any inference to that end was yours, not mine.
You brought up Zelensky as if he was leading the NATO charge when reality was he was only continuing a long standing Ukrainian desire to get into NATO. He took office with Russian troops holding Crimea and Russian military fighting against his soldiers in Donbas and with Putin’s continuing threats. He had few cards to play.[
quote]E.g., Zelenskyy showed no indication of such insight. Who knows what the Russian's close-held analysis indicated. Their public position though insisted Ukraine was on a glideslope to NATO membership, and, as Russia had made clear for 15yrs, that was a glideslope to war.[/quote]
You said that Biden Johnson weren’t letting the Ukes in NATO. I agreed with you. But you believe Putin may have thought otherwise? I think you are backtracking now because Putin knew our intentions. We probably told him.
But the NATO thing is all a ruse. Putin wanted Ukraine. He was going to take Ukrsine. He thought he’d take it easily, but he was wrong.
quote:
Which begs the question: Given 20-20 hindsight, how do you think this war could have been avoided?
You are sounding like Neville Chamberlain. The way to avoid war is peace through strength. Putin picked on weak US presidents. That’s no accident.
Look at Joe Biden’s world,and you see wars breaking out all over. Why? He’s a feeble old man and has no respect.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:24 am to cypher
Russia Struggles with Fuel Storage After Feodosia Oil Depot Destruction, Say Partisans
Atesh claims that Russian troops are now forced to distribute fuel to various points on the occupied Crimean Peninsula while carefully disguising their storage locations.
by Julia Struck | October 10, 2024, 8:08 am
Following the destruction of the oil depot in Feodosia in occupied Crimea, the Russian Armed Forces are grappling with significant challenges related to fuel storage and distribution for military equipment, including tanks, armored personnel carriers, and aircraft, according to a report from the Atesh partisans.
The report indicates that Russian troops are now compelled to distribute fuel at various points across the peninsula, taking measures to disguise their storage sites. Atesh agents are monitoring all deliveries of fuel tankers, tracking their movements, and identifying storage locations and transport routes to the front, they say.
The Kyiv Post
Atesh claims that Russian troops are now forced to distribute fuel to various points on the occupied Crimean Peninsula while carefully disguising their storage locations.
by Julia Struck | October 10, 2024, 8:08 am
Following the destruction of the oil depot in Feodosia in occupied Crimea, the Russian Armed Forces are grappling with significant challenges related to fuel storage and distribution for military equipment, including tanks, armored personnel carriers, and aircraft, according to a report from the Atesh partisans.
The report indicates that Russian troops are now compelled to distribute fuel at various points across the peninsula, taking measures to disguise their storage sites. Atesh agents are monitoring all deliveries of fuel tankers, tracking their movements, and identifying storage locations and transport routes to the front, they say.
The Kyiv Post
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:54 am to doubleb
quote:
Given 20-20 hindsight, how do you think this war could have been avoided?
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You are sounding like Neville Chamberlain.
Asking you an open-ended question sounds like Neville Chamberlain?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:35 am to NC_Tigah
Electing Trump
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:09 am to doubleb
quote:
Electing Trump
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:01 am to doubleb
quote:
Electing Trump
What would trump have done in that situation?
For one, his VP wouldn't go publicly proclaim that we wanted Ukraine in NATO. That wouldn't hurt the situation at the very least.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:12 am to VolSquatch
Nobody believes Putin’s nonsense rhetoric.
This was planned in 2014 after they took over Crimea and planted their disrupters in Donbas. That was the big blunder by Obama and Europe/the West.
The proclaimed reasons for the invasion have evolved and changed several times already.
Vance publicly talks like they want to appease Putin by just letting him take over Ukraine. Whoop-de-doo
This was planned in 2014 after they took over Crimea and planted their disrupters in Donbas. That was the big blunder by Obama and Europe/the West.
The proclaimed reasons for the invasion have evolved and changed several times already.
Vance publicly talks like they want to appease Putin by just letting him take over Ukraine. Whoop-de-doo
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:24 am to AGGIES
quote:
Vance publicly talks like they want to appease Putin by just letting him take over Ukraine. Whoop-de-doo
Notice that it is Vance saying this, not Trump. Campaign tactic due Trump needs the Politard type voters, just like the Harris needs the AOC type voters.
Nothing more than campaign rhetoric
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:25 am to AGGIES
quote:Oh the irony.
planted their disrupters in Donbas
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:37 am to NC_Tigah
Igor Girkin led the siege of Sloviansk in Spring of 2014. Once they were repelled by Ukrainian forces, Russia sent more support to Donbas. The war has been ongoing (off and on) in that region since then.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:23 pm to AGGIES
quote:See US involvement in the overthrow of Ukraine's president 2013-14 which precipitated events you're describing.
Igor Girkin led the siege of Sloviansk in Spring of 2014. Once they were repelled by Ukrainian forces, Russia sent more support to Donbas. The war has been ongoing (off and on) in that region since then.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:40 pm to VolSquatch
quote:
What would trump have done in that situation?
He would have done the same things he did while in office.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:41 pm to NC_Tigah
See Russian involvement in Ukraine politics.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:53 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
See US involvement in the overthrow of Ukraine's president 2013-14 which precipitated events you're describing.
See Russian involvement that precipitated an escalation of the civil war as well as the takeover of Crimea.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:00 pm to doubleb
Oh no, Ukraine bros! Why is Lil' Volya doing this?!
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:21 pm to SirWinston
Reuters...
Zelenskiy awaits new summit date after Biden postpones Germany trip
BERLIN, Oct 9 (Reuters) - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Wednesday he expected a new date for a summit of key allies to be agreed soon following the postponement of a planned gathering in Ramstein, Germany, because U.S. President Joe Biden was unable to join.
The White House said Biden needed to oversee preparations for Hurricane Milton and relief efforts after another hurricane last month killed more than 200 people.
The Ramstein group of Ukraine's arms donors had been set to convene for its highest level meeting ever on the sidelines of Biden's Oct. 10-13 state visit to Germany, which would have been the first U.S. state visit in nearly 40 years.
"The Oct. 12, 2024 event is postponed," the U.S. public affairs office at Ramstein Air Base said in an email to journalists. "Announcements about future Ukraine Defence Contact Group meetings will be forthcoming."
Zelenskiy awaits new summit date after Biden postpones Germany trip
BERLIN, Oct 9 (Reuters) - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Wednesday he expected a new date for a summit of key allies to be agreed soon following the postponement of a planned gathering in Ramstein, Germany, because U.S. President Joe Biden was unable to join.
The White House said Biden needed to oversee preparations for Hurricane Milton and relief efforts after another hurricane last month killed more than 200 people.
The Ramstein group of Ukraine's arms donors had been set to convene for its highest level meeting ever on the sidelines of Biden's Oct. 10-13 state visit to Germany, which would have been the first U.S. state visit in nearly 40 years.
"The Oct. 12, 2024 event is postponed," the U.S. public affairs office at Ramstein Air Base said in an email to journalists. "Announcements about future Ukraine Defence Contact Group meetings will be forthcoming."
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:21 pm to SirWinston
my mistake
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:26 pm to cypher
ZeroHedge target market is incels and why Tyler Durden is always the author.
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