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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/21/24 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 8:16 pm to
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Wtf Tucker Carlson is a great American

If you like Nazi sympathizers, sure.



It's really sad. Tucker was once a principled conservative. It's tragic to see his descent into such nuttery as testicle tanning, fluffing Putin, and claiming that Winston Churchill was the real villain of WWII.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 8:24 pm to
I'm old enough to remember when he was a bowtie wearing nerd on Crossfire on CNN.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 8:53 pm to
he’s making bank now, that’s media 2024
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 8:54 pm to
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It's really sad. Tucker was once a principled conservative.


He was a Libertarian or Conservative as it benefitted him. I doubt he actually has any principles other than market share
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42604 posts
Posted on 9/21/24 at 9:18 pm to
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This ends at a negotiating table either way. Why not do it before more are killed for Raytheon/Northrup Grumman/CIA's bloodlust for profits?


Ask Putin, he is the one who quit negotiating and ratcheted up tge war. Blaming posters here is asinine.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/21/24 at 9:39 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces conducted another successful drone strike against Russian missile and ammunition storage facilities as well as a mobile radar system in Russia overnight on September 20 to 21.

The Kremlin appears to be reorganizing Russia's decentralized, regional volunteer recruitment campaigns into a federal effort, indicating that Russia is struggling to meet the manpower demands of its war in Ukraine despite previous claims that the Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast caused a spike in Russia's volunteer recruitment.

The Russian military leadership and government are continuing to reduce the class of semi-independent Russian military innovators, specialists, and irregular commanders to advance force centralization objectives, maintain the offensive tempo in Donetsk Oblast, and compensate for personnel shortages.

Iran reportedly did not send mobile launchers for the Fateh-360 short-range ballistic missiles it recently supplied to Russia, likely due a decision to prioritize sending additional missiles over bulky and easily replaceable launchers.

Russian officials have designated 47 countries as having opposing and dangerous moral attitudes to Russia, highlighting that the Kremlin is reviving a Soviet era tactic and mindset that defines a clear ideological division in the world.

Russian milblogger analyses of Russia’s war in Ukraine continue to suggest that the Kremlin perceives Western commitment to Ukraine as feeble.

Russian forces recently advanced in Kursk Oblast.

Russian forces advanced north of Kharkiv City and near Kupyansk, Kreminna, Tortesk, and southwest of Donetsk City.  

The Kremlin has not fully suppressed localized protests organized by wives of Russian mobilized servicemen since declaring partial mobilization on September 21, 2022.


Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 9/22/24 at 6:32 am to
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Was the CIA involved? I hope so. Did they help? I would guess they did, but the movement to join the west was home grown.

I agree it was home grown. It was still a democratically elected government that we overthrew.

I was in Georgia a few months ago. It is similar to Ukraine in that the population wants away from Russia and to turn toward the West. And their government has been subverted to lean toward Russia.

I can tell you that Soros type Western NGOs are lavishing money on the university students and activists to fund them working to join Western alliances. This activity makes the Russians feel threatened and nudges them toward military interventions as well as government subversions.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/22/24 at 7:20 am to
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 7:38 am to
Would imagine this would be news everywhere...not seeing anything anywhere. Guess it's wait and see
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13311 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 7:55 am to
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everywhere...not seeing anything anywhere.


It's now widely reported
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 9/22/24 at 7:58 am to
Yep, I see it now
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 8:14 am to
LINK

Very interesting post from a guy who is a former USN intelligence specialist and a former train conductor.

He points out that, in at least two of Ukraine's three strikes on ammo dumps this week, Russia actually had a train onsite that was loading or unloading ammo.

That's a direct result, he claims, of Ukraine controlling the Sudzha train station. Sudzha station was a dispatch station with a yard master's office, and Russian railways use really old radio and telegraph technology that means that Russia couldn't easily cut off the Sudzha station from its communication network. The system has communication redundancies to account for power outages and system failures, and nothing is digital or encrypted because Russia never imagined this scenario.

As a result, once Ukraine invaded Kursk, they had the ability for a significant time to track Russian trains across the entire Russian railway network. They may even still possess that ability.

For example, the ability to track a specific train coming from the North Korean border could have resulted in the timing of the first Toropets strike.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138778 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 8:23 am to
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but the movement to join the west was home grown.
Riiight. Completely homegrown. Just like the summer of love was "grassroots" and piles of bricks located at each event were mere coincidence. Just like the fake J6 pipe bomb planted itself near Harris's residence.

US/Western backed NGOs were HEAVILY involved. Their involvement was such that without them there would have been no Euromaidan. You are well enough informed on this topic to know that. The Open Society Foundation, National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House, International Republican Institute, and National Democratic Institute all had hands all over the violent overthrow of a Democratically elected President.

But, by all means, let's test the premise of spontaneity, and involvement.
Who did Euromaidan help?

Certainly not Ukraine.
Ukraine lost Crimea and saw it's Eastern Oblasts enter Civil War, as a direct result.

Certainly not Russia. So who, then?

The answer can be found in beneficiaries of entities such as the NABU, Burisma, foreign access to natural resources, and western ties to Ukrainian money laundering. Who benefits from those?
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13311 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 8:45 am to
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they had the ability for a significant time to track Russian trains across the entire Russian railway network.


The NSA has had this information in real time for decades. But it's fun to see the apprentices coming into their own. Probably brings a little tear to their eye
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13311 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 8:46 am to
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western ties to Ukrainian money laundering.


You guys keep repeating this. But still no one explains to me how it works or who the players are.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 9:16 am to
FIFY

quote:

Under Pants Gnomes keep repeating this. But still no one explains to me how it works or who the players are.


The real reason that the public wanted Ukraine to join the EU (not NATO) was that corruption would have to be cleaned up.
This post was edited on 9/22/24 at 9:19 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42604 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 10:24 am to
quote:

I agree it was home grown. It was still a democratically elected government that we overthrew.


The Ukrainians parliament voted to remove the Russian puppet after he had soldiers kill protesters. We didn’t do that.
quote:

I can tell you that Soros type Western NGOs are lavishing money on the university students and activists to fund them working to join Western alliances. This activity makes the Russians feel threatened and nudges them toward military interventions as well as government subversions.


Baloney. These countries want to join Western alliances to be more prosperous and for protection from Russia.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 10:35 am to
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The NSA has had this information in real time for decades. But it's fun to see the apprentices coming into their own. Probably brings a little tear to their eye


For sure. Our satellite network means that we can absolutely track every train. But, unless the Pentagon is lying (and I hope they are in this case), we aren't helping Ukraine target strikes inside Russia. So, this may have been intelligence that Ukraine needed to get for itself.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 10:37 am to
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So, this may have been intelligence that Ukraine needed to get for itself.


Maybe not with the same resolution but there are several privately owned satellite companies with global reach and even real time data available.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138778 posts
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:18 am to
quote:

You guys keep repeating this. But still no one explains to me how it works or who the players are.
How money laundering works?

or

How it would work if billions of dollars were sent to one of the most traditionally corrupt domiciles on the planet, then redirected there into various NGOs in order to funnel the "repurposed" funds to the CIA, or OSF, or kicked back to favorable US PACs?

E.g., Have you seen detailed audits for US funds sent to Ukraine? No? Neither has anyone else.
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