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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:08 pm to
Yeah, if illegals are more likely to be incarcerated, how much of that is related to the fact that they are here illegally and that contributes to them being more likely to be held, denied bail, etc.?

No one thinks that Kenner is more dangerous than parts of Orleans Parish, etc.

Anyway, the argument is tedious. The point was that it's wrong to use one specific crime to label immigrants as criminals. If I showed a number of crimes committed by left-handed criminals, it would not indicate that left-handed people are sinister.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21087 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:15 pm to
Massive news

Biden administration moves toward allowing American military contractors to deploy to Ukraine

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CNN — 

The Biden administration is moving toward lifting a de facto ban on American military contractors deploying to Ukraine, four US officials familiar with the matter told CNN, to help the country’s military maintain and repair US-provided weapons systems.

The change would mark another significant shift in the Biden administration’s Ukraine policy, as the US looks for ways to give Ukraine’s military an upper hand against Russia.


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Once approved, the change would likely be enacted this year, officials said, and would allow the Pentagon to provide contracts to American companies for work inside Ukraine for the first time since Russia invaded in 2022. Officials said they hope it will speed up the maintenance and repairs of weapons systems being used by the Ukrainian military.

Over the last two years, Biden has insisted that all Americans, and particularly US troops, stay far away from the Ukrainian frontlines. The White House has been determined to limit both the danger to Americans and the perception, particularly by Russia, that the US military is engaged in combat there. The State Department has explicitly warned Americans against traveling to Ukraine since 2022.

As a result, US-provided military equipment that has sustained significant damage in combat has had to be transported out of the country to Poland, Romania, or other NATO countries for repairs, a process which takes time.  US troops are also available to help the Ukrainians with more routine maintenance and logistics, but only from afar via video chat or secure phone—an arrangement that has come with inherent limitations, since US troops and contractors are not able to work directly on the systems.


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Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16276 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:36 pm to
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No one thinks that Kenner is more dangerous than parts of Orleans Parish, etc.


Why single out Kenner? That part of Jefferson Parish has been full of Honduran immigrants for easily 100 years.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61754 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 1:46 pm to
That’s good news.
What’s the latest on when we get to see some F-16’s wrecking some Russian shite?
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13562 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:41 pm to
I think everyone realized that there was no way to build up the ground support staff for F-16s in just 6 months. So this contractor thing is a natural extension of the practical military necessity of fielding F-16 this summer.

And it works both ways. Right now Ukrainef fields the most advanced drone army and drone air force in the world. We need our contractors working along side them soaking up everything they can. When this is over, we will need to rethink our entire military, from the weapons suite all the way down to how we organize and command combat units.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61754 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:43 pm to
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Right now Ukrainef fields the most advanced drone army and drone air force in the world.


I'm not sure that theirs is better than ours. We've had some pretty awesome stuff for at least a decade now.
Of course they are using theirs in a more unconventional way and having success, so I agree there are some learnings from this.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105597 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:48 pm to
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The first aerial dogfights during World War I were slow, almost comical affairs. In the early years of the war, propeller-driven observation planes lacked forward-firing machine guns. So the pilots—or, more often, the observers in the second seats—aimed their pistols or rifles at enemy planes.

More than a century later, aerial observers are still firing small arms from the back seats of propeller-driven planes. Last week, a gunner in a 1970s-vintage Yakovlev Yak-52 training plane belonging to a Ukrainian volunteer flying club engaged a Russian Orlan drone over southern Ukraine, reportedly shooting down the $100,000 drone.

It’s not the first time the combatants in Russia’s wider war on Ukraine have revived tactics and technology from World War I. Trench warfare is back. So are “turtle tanks” and Maxim machine guns. But the aerial gunner-versus-drone dogfight might be the most dramatic example of modern warfare devolving in the brutal conditions of the Ukraine conflict.

The apparent drone shoot-down was captured in videos shot from the ground as well as inside the two-seat Yak-52. In the videos, the 1.5-ton trainer—which cruises a little faster than 100 miles per hour—circles around the 33-pound Orlan. Gunfire can be heard. The seemingly damaged drone descends under its automatically-deployed parachute.
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Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13562 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:51 pm to
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I'm not sure that theirs is better than ours.


We built out an AI driven drone swarm program that is hyper complex and extremely expensive. They are making it work with $2000 FPV drones with $200 mortar rounds zip tied to them.

Their way is better, because it was born of necessity and adapted to real world conditions. Those are always the best solutions to problems. They make the ones dreamed up by beltway techno war whores look ridiculous.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21087 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 3:47 pm to
It's because the feedback loop is so tight. If Russia starts a new way of jamming drones one day, Ukrainian drone manufacturers are working on a solution in just hours, and new drones produced with a countermeasure in just days.

Part of the value of putting US contractors in the Ukraine is that it will shorten those loops with US-made equipment. We'll learn more, faster, and that will be a huge benefit to the US arms industry.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21087 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 3:50 pm to
For me, the big takeaway from letting US contractors in Ukraine is that all the additional air defense equipment and rockets along with F-16s, will, by the fall, make those contractors very unlikely to be bombed and killed.

Part of the change in the calculus of allowing them HAS to be a lower assessment of risk.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16276 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 4:00 pm to
quote:


I think everyone realized that there was no way to build up the ground support staff for F-16s in just 6 months. So this contractor thing is a natural extension of the practical military necessity of fielding F-16 this summer.


Ukrainian pilots had to unlearn Soviet tactics and learn Western tactics. Their best pilots likely flunked when put under any pressure. That happened with Poland and every other former Soviet block when they switched to F-16s from MiGs et al. Western fighters are designed for different tactics.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 4:29 pm to
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Their way is better, because it was born of necessity and adapted to real world conditions. Those are always the best solutions to problems. They make the ones dreamed up by beltway techno war whores look ridiculous.

The most effective Russian tactic was utilizing cold-war-era weapons, putting them on a glorified balloon and shooting them at Ukrainian defensive positions. "Glide bombs" absolutely devastated Ukrainian defenses.

Between AFU drones and the glide bombs, It seems like the silliest, ACME level stuff is making the biggest impact.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20359 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:01 pm to
cwil1, I see your analogy, but saying the west is equivalent to Hitler is a little harsh.

Then again, ole cargo pants killing 100s of thousands of ukranians for personal gain, I can see the connection.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20359 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:03 pm to
DoubleB,

Take a deep breathe, now Cargo Pants is George Washington?

20% of ukranians have fled the country, not because of the war but because they know its a laundromat and they dont want to die for it.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21250 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:12 pm to
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20% of ukranians have fled the country, not because of the war but because they know its a laundromat and they dont want to die for it.

Any link to backup this bullshite you've tossed against the wall?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20359 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:14 pm to
notiger,

Here is a direct quote from cargo pants:

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We are telling this directly – to defend, we need seven more 'Patriots' or similar air defence systems, and it's a minimum number.20 Apr 2024


And I was referencing a ukranian soldier they interviewed. He said US missile systems were either being jammed or shot down so they keep getting the snot blown out of them by Russians, they need Patriot systems for protection.

But ole cargo pants must be keeping them to protect his discos in kiev rather than his own cannon fodder on the front lines.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20359 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:24 pm to
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That’s a lie.


I don’t know who is right, or who is wrong; however, you seem so to know for sure,
Got a link to the stats?


Ill take this one Lima.

It comes from a chart with stats from the state of Texas... It shows per 100,000 that US citizens murder, rape, rob, more than legal immigrants, who are more than illegals.

There is just one problem, YOU CANT DO IT BY 100,000 because it cant be done for undocumented.....because they are undocumented. So where the fck do you come up with the total number of illegals to do a per 100,000 stat. Or if you did and the number is that low, that means there are 100 million illegals in the country LOL.

And by the way ONE FRIGGING CRIME is too much, they should not be here to begin with.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20359 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:35 pm to
Here are some notes on demographics moar.....

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As a result of heavy shelling and fighting, an estimated 3.7 million people have been driven from their homes and are internally displaced and nearly 6.5 million people have crossed into neighboring countries in the region including Poland, Hungary, Moldova or other countries globally.


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Ukraine's population is estimated to be some 36 million people. It could drop by 10 million people in just three decades — and the war isn't the only factor. MICHEL MARTIN, HOST: Now to Ukraine - Ukraine's population is estimated to be about 36 million people.


Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21250 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:35 pm to
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So where the fck do you come up with the total number of illegals to do a per 100,000 stat.

They probably got the stat from your 20% of Ukrainians left due to laundering and not the war source. Amazing you're bitching about made up stats just minutes after making up a stat. I'm slapshit baffled how some of y'all fricktards do the same exact shite as those you pretend to dislike/disagree with.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20359 posts
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:38 pm to
You missed math class bless your heart.....
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