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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/10/24 at 5:46 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 5:46 pm to
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That is why I quoted Boris Johnson verbatim in my post.
In Apr'22, Johnson scuttled peace talks because he thought "we" (meaning young Ukrainians) could "press" Putin. A few weeks later, Lloyd Austin conveyed the same message to Kyiv


This literally comes up so much on this thread I had to bookmark a canned reply about how RUSSIA wasn't in alignment on this peace deal and why.

April 7, 2022

quote:

Ukraine's new draft, according to Lavrov, said the status of Crimea, which Moscow annexed from Ukraine in 2014, should be raised at a meeting between the two countries' presidents.

It also said Ukraine could hold military drills with foreign countries without receiving Russia's permission, something Moscow disagrees with.

"Such inability to agree once again highlights Kyiv's true intentions, its position of drawing out and even undermining the talks by moving away from the understandings reached," Lavrov said, adding that the proposals were "unacceptable".


April 12, 2022
quote:

In the strongest signal to date that the war will grind on for longer, Putin said Kyiv had derailed peace talks by staging what he said were fake claims of Russian war crimes and by demanding security guarantees to cover the whole of Ukraine.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 5:54 pm to
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Where did I state that Russia has won?



LINK
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2999 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:05 pm to
LINK

Show me where it reads that I said "Russia won" or "Russian Victory"

Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61754 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

Show me where it reads that I said "Russia won" or "Russian Victory"


Show us where anyone in this thread said Ukraine is winning?
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2999 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:25 pm to
quote:

Show us where anyone in this thread said Ukraine is winning?


First post on page
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Member since Nov 2003
3657 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:37 pm to
From the person using the "show me where I said 'x'" argument, "That's a win." =/= "Ukraine is winning." Why do you like to eat shite so much?
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8699 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:37 pm to
It’s going to get a lot easier to take out the air defense systems Russia has protecting their front lines with F-16s more than Crimea or other more distant systems. The AGM-88 HARM missiles that we managed to rig to the Mig-29 is going to have much better efficiency due to the F-16’s fire control system being able to communicate with the missile better and they will also have more range as the F-16 can get closer to standoff altitude to launch it’s missiles because the F-16’s radar can detect threats from further away than the Mig which is why they have to fly nap of the earth. At least in the F-16 you get a little more warning time to allow for the appropriate evasive action.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:51 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces conducted a strike against Russian air defense assets in occupied Crimea overnight on June 9 to 10, likely with ATACMS.

Ukraine's Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Captain Third Rank Dmytro Pletenchuk denied on June 10 a Sky News report that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian Ropucha-class landing ship in the Sea of Azov on the night of June 8 to 9.

New Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov met with a select group of Russian milbloggers and military commentators on June 10, suggesting that the Kremlin seeks to partially use Belousov's replacement of widely unpopular former Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to build bridges and cultivate ties with a broader milblogger community via a cadre of coopted and loyal military commentators.

Officials from Russia, Iran, and the People's Republic of China (PRC) held bilateral meetings on the sidelines of the BRICS foreign ministers meeting in Nizhny Novgorod on June 10.

The Armenian National Assembly will likely hold an emergency session by June 17 during which the Armenian opposition parties will demand Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan's and his cabinet's resignation.

The US Department of State announced on June 10 that the US and Poland jointly launched the Ukraine Communications Group (UCG) in Warsaw to counter Russian disinformation by offering fact-based reporting about the war in Ukraine.

Finnish authorities reported that a Russian military aircraft temporarily violated Finnish airspace on June 10 amid continued Russian efforts to undermine Finnish sovereignty.

Russian forces recently advanced southwest of Donetsk City and in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area.

Russian Defense Minister Andrey Belousov appears to be focusing on healthcare programs for Russian servicemembers in his new role.


Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20329 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:53 pm to
In other news:

Ukraine is now under scheduled rolling blackouts. I dont understand the demand on their grid, I was told every ukranian had a generator.

zelensky says they are under severe pressure on several parts of the front, seems Russia's faint to Kharkiv worked wonders and sucked all the Ukranian troops north leaving wide swaths of the front barely protected. .

ukraine is in desperate need for men, any men for the front, and are receiving little training at all.

The two heads of their infrastructure rebuilding have just left....and they were the principal whistle blowers for corruption last year....imagine that.




Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42817 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

Ukraine is now under scheduled rolling blackouts. I dont understand the demand on their grid, I was told every ukranian had a generator.


This was necessary because Russian forces surrounded their cities.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8699 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:22 pm to
Germany is restarting production on the PzH 2000.

LINK

On another note, a Russian oligarch is offering a bounty of 15 million rubles ($167,000) for the downing of the 1st Ukrainian F-16. I think it’s safe to say the entrance of F-16 is living rent free in many Russian’s heads.

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This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 11:09 pm
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61754 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:23 pm to
quote:

I was told every ukranian had a generator.


I can only imagine all the stupidity that goes on inside your head
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:24 pm to
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Russia's faint [SP] to Kharkiv worked wonders and sucked all the Ukranian troops north leaving wide swaths of the front barely protected. .


Wow. Russia is really becoming the King of Feints. Kiev, Odessa, Kherson, Kharkiv....Pretty much all of the major cities in their path were only just feints. I guess their real objectives is the empty farm land and not the ports that control the grain exports? That's like diabolical logic there. 4D chess for sure.

Now that Ukraine has fallen for it and opened gaps in their lines, I assume Russia will be rolling through any day now?

I mean with "wide swaths of the front barely protected" it should be a piece of cake.

Come give us an update in a week and let us know how deep their offensive has gotten.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16263 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:25 pm to
quote:

seems Russia's faint to Kharkiv worked wonders and sucked all the Ukranian troops north leaving wide swaths of the front barely protected. .


Yet no real progress against these barely defended areas. Meanwhile, Russians are being slaughtered in the Kharkiv pocket as they reinforced with troops moved from across the river from Kherson
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:27 pm to
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s this your "gotcha" moment? Weak...


Not as weak as your logic. But keep it up, champ. Everyone here is pulling for you to be right about something. We're an inclusive bunch. We want you to feel that you are doing well.....
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:05 pm to
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No... this was "EU Parliament" elections... each country directly elects their representatives to the EU Parliament, and the dynamic is that far-right parties do better because people use these elections to register their frustrations with the EU... mostly, that they don't feel that they have enough power in it, and sending the people who want to abolish and disrupt it sends that message, as well as the usual clusterfrick that is Parliamentary-style elections (our Founding Fathers set us up to default to a two-party system because they thought Parliamentary systems were inconsistent chaos)...


I know that. I watched the returns for two hours yesterday.

Macron's party in France and Scholz's party in Germany took horrible losses. The leftist parties and the Greens were wiped out also. The Center right like the CDU and the far right like the AFD did well. Meloni's party in Italy was a huge winner also.

Europe is tired of the immigration invasion like most Americans are.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30774 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:33 pm to
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Will the new Russian Black Sea Fleet have glass bottoms so they can look at the old Black Sea Fleet?


The Admiral Levchenko was a sub hunter, I am pretty sure that glass viewing windows in the hull was the way they looked for subs.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:09 pm to
The Russians have destroyed 50% of Ukraines electrical generation capacity.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42817 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

The Russians have destroyed 50% of Ukraines electrical generation capacity.


And in another two and a half years they might get it all.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:41 pm to
I haven’t looked it up, but I expect a lot of their remaining capacity comes from their nuclear plants. The Russians will not attack them.
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 11:41 pm
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