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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:22 am to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:22 am to Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:38 am to Turbeauxdog
GOP_Tiger: Turbeaux, I'd like to introduce you to my brother in Christ, Speaker Mike Johnson.
Johnson: ahh yes, I thought that you looked familiar, GOP. Weren't you....
GOP_Tiger: ...State GOP several years ago, yes! We were colleagues at work and deacons at our church. I told practically everyone I know that you would come through for Ukraine!
Johnson: Ahh! Well, we do love our volunteer workers at the State house! Thank you for giving so freely of your time to both serve our Lord and our country!
Johnson: ahh yes, I thought that you looked familiar, GOP. Weren't you....
GOP_Tiger: ...State GOP several years ago, yes! We were colleagues at work and deacons at our church. I told practically everyone I know that you would come through for Ukraine!
Johnson: Ahh! Well, we do love our volunteer workers at the State house! Thank you for giving so freely of your time to both serve our Lord and our country!
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:41 am to doubleb
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What the frick have the Russians done to the United States?
You obviously never studied history.
Russia has cost us billions and they have helped to kill American soldiers.
The sad part is that Putin has lead Russia down this bloody path instead of one of peace and prosperity.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:49 am to cypher
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Jay in Kyiv
@JayinKyiv
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Russians now randomly sending guided bombs into the center of any city within 100km of the front.
Today, this family was near a blast while driving their car in Kostyantynivka.
Graphic video
The Nazis had Britain's air force on the ropes after repeated attacks on air fields and support buildings. They switched to terror bombings of cities which let the RAF recover and win the Battle of Britain.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:52 am to VolSquatch
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This highlights the thing a lot of people don't understand about war, its more about supply chains, amount of resources (people, guns, even basic stuff like food) and the allocation of those resources than anything else.
It means very little without the will to fight.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 11:04 am to Auburn1968
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It means very little without the will to fight.
You think your average Russian troop is just super gung ho about fighting right now? Yet, they are winning.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 11:34 am to Auburn1968
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The Nazis had Britain's air force on the ropes after repeated attacks on air fields and support buildings. They switched to terror bombings of cities which let the RAF recover and win the Battle of Britain.
Yep. The RAF was done. The reason they switched was because the RAF did it to them first.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 11:40 am to Spaceman Spiff
I believe that was accidental (British) but the Germans didn’t know that
Posted on 4/23/24 at 12:57 pm to VolSquatch
Hitler never made it to Moscow did he? He hit a wall at Stalingrad... Stalin was not going to let his namesake town fall completely.
By the way, Stalingrad was where the US said "oh, shite..." as far as looking at what the post-Axis powers world would be like... we knew the Russians at the time were pretty much at a late-19th Century military technology level, but... "they will send millions into a meat grinder until there's no more ammo left on the other side." Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just as much, probably more, for Russia's attention as Japan's... and NATO and the Brenton Woods system were about stabilizing a huge resistance and buffer to them... also knowing a bit it would cause them to establish the Warsaw Pact Eastern Bloc, and spread their resources too thin trying to run that entire area on a Communist control economy that could not provide enough for just Russia and a few other satellites before.
Since then, technology and strategy has evened out the simple manpower advantage. This war has been the proving ground for that... even in the opening days when the Ukrainians had no real Western support, they pushed WAY above their weight level, which is why the West then helped them.
By the way, Stalingrad was where the US said "oh, shite..." as far as looking at what the post-Axis powers world would be like... we knew the Russians at the time were pretty much at a late-19th Century military technology level, but... "they will send millions into a meat grinder until there's no more ammo left on the other side." Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just as much, probably more, for Russia's attention as Japan's... and NATO and the Brenton Woods system were about stabilizing a huge resistance and buffer to them... also knowing a bit it would cause them to establish the Warsaw Pact Eastern Bloc, and spread their resources too thin trying to run that entire area on a Communist control economy that could not provide enough for just Russia and a few other satellites before.
Since then, technology and strategy has evened out the simple manpower advantage. This war has been the proving ground for that... even in the opening days when the Ukrainians had no real Western support, they pushed WAY above their weight level, which is why the West then helped them.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:02 pm to VolSquatch
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its more about supply chains, amount of resources (people, guns, even basic stuff like food) and the allocation of those resources than anything else.
Ukraine may be stretched thin at the moment... because the US bogged down internally
BUT... Russia has proven to be horrible at any of this... corruption plays a huge part. Strategy-wise, they just plow forward sacrificing troops and armaments with seemingly no thought. You have to realize that, right?
VICE: Russian troops are charging Ukrainian poritions with shovels because of lack of guns and ammo
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:03 pm to VolSquatch
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You think your average Russian troop is just super gung ho about fighting right now? Yet, they are winning.
Amazing what having Wagner mercenaries and Chechens hanging back waiting to shoot you if you don't charge forward will do!!!!
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:04 pm to Lee B
But they are “crushing” the Ukes with their shovels.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:13 pm to Auburn1968
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The sad part is that Putin has lead Russia down this bloody path instead of one of peace and prosperity.
For all of Yeltsin's attempted pivot to Democracy and free-market capitalism, he allowed the old Soviet party elite corruption to just remake itself as new Oligarch corruption. Putin put the oligarchs in their place and made them realize he was the King and they only got what he let them have in exchange for allegiance.
There is no way they can have prosperity... they are simply a PetroState... a PetroState has an economy-based almost completely on extracting resources, which means after the initial period of building those sites and refineries the economy narrows to a wealthy elite at the top and a poorer and poorer working class... while the middle-class (professionals) shrink to a level of just what is needed by the small elite (fleeing to other places), since the working class can't afford to support that part of the economy.
I should note here that Louisiana is also a PetroState, and you should notice the parallel to our problem.
Orwell said something about Wars being started by the aggressor to control their home population more than the enemy's. In Putin's case, that is certainly one motivation... the price of oil and natural gas was high, remember, and Russia was making a lot of money... and for the poor in the countryside and in the ghettos of the cities, the question started to be "where is all of that money going?" We know... they needed to be distracted.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:16 pm to doubleb
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But they are “crushing” the Ukes with their shovels.
Exactly... "slowly adding more territory" while suffering HUGE casualties and losing equipment like a touring demolition derby...
It's like the people who keep saying "this is a war of attrition" only apply that from Russia's side, not seeing that Russia is having that very war waged on them, too.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:19 pm to Lee B
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Amazing what having Wagner mercenaries and Chechens hanging back waiting to shoot you if you don't charge forward will do!!!!
Literally every armed force on earth, and the vast majority throughout history, killed deserters. Often brutally
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:26 pm to VolSquatch
perhaps, but how many handed out sticks and shovels and made their troops charge armed positions at gunpoint?
and then this aspect, which my buddy who recently returned from Bakhmut talks about...
Business Insider: Russia is sending 'disposable' soldiers into battle high on amphetamines to make sure they still 'run at machine guns'
I've seen vids on X of guys being but in half or losing legs while charging, and they sit there leaching euphorically and smiling... disturbing as frick
and then this aspect, which my buddy who recently returned from Bakhmut talks about...
Business Insider: Russia is sending 'disposable' soldiers into battle high on amphetamines to make sure they still 'run at machine guns'
I've seen vids on X of guys being but in half or losing legs while charging, and they sit there leaching euphorically and smiling... disturbing as frick
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:30 pm to Lee B
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BUT... Russia has proven to be horrible at any of this... corruption plays a huge part. Strategy-wise, they just plow forward sacrificing troops and armaments with seemingly no thought. You have to realize that, right?
VICE: Russian troops are charging Ukrainian poritions with shovels because of lack of guns and ammo
You lose any credibility you had linking fictional nonsense like this. Watch this progression
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:42 pm to ColtRange
What changed is we stopped sending money. Now that the money is there, the narrative will shift again to "we are succeeding!" so that when they ask for money again they can say "We've almost got them this time!!!", we send the money, rinse and repeat until the war ends one way or another
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:43 pm to ColtRange
We know Ukraine is running out of ammo, we didn’t know Russia was.
Russia is out producing Ukraine 7 to 1. Russia is using 10 to 1 over Ukraine.
Yes, Russia could be short too even though they produce more,
Russia is out producing Ukraine 7 to 1. Russia is using 10 to 1 over Ukraine.
Yes, Russia could be short too even though they produce more,
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:50 pm to doubleb
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we didn’t know Russia was.
We said we did
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